Mary Gauthier on the business mindset of an artist, art as recovery, and owning a clam shack.

GRAMMY-nominated songwriter and author Mary Gauthier, whose songs have been recorded by everyone from Tim McGraw and Blake Shelton to Boy George and Jimmy Buffett, joins us for a deeply resonant exploration of life, survival, and craft. Starting her songwriting journey at age 40 after a successful career as a chef and restaurant owner, Mary offers a deeply grounded perspective on what it means to build a long-haul artistic life. Originally aired in August 2023 as Episode 27, we are revisiting this favorite conversation from our archive to unpack her 33-year journey in recovery, the necessity of patience in art and persistence in business, and how songwriting serves as a container for processing trauma and bridging human divides. **In This Episode:** - Mary Gauthier - Songwriting With Soldiers - 'Saved by a Song: The Art and Healing Power of Songwriting' - Ep 152 - Matraca Berg - Ep 43 - Gretchen Peters - Beth Nielsen Chapman - Liz Rose - Patty Griffin - Neko Case **Go Deeper:** - **Watch:** View this entire conversation on YouTube. - **Explore:** Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. - **Connect:** Join the conversation on Instagram. **The Hosts:** *The Other 22 Hours* is hosted by **Aaron Shafer-Haiss** (Producer/Mixer) and **Michaela Anne** (Songwriter/Creative Coach). - More about Aaron’s work. - More about Michaela Anne’s work. **Credits:**  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.