Aug 11, 2026 · 30 min · 13 segments
Your team isn't falling apart because something went wrong. It's falling apart because that's what teams do by default, drifting toward disconnection unless someone actively counteracts it. Lucky for…
My guest today calls it entropy, and he's built an entire framework and even a measurement tool around reversing it.
Matt Pupsel is the author of Expand the Circle: Enlightened Leadership for our New World of Work, and he hosts the Lead the People podcast.
He's vice president and godfather of talent optimization at The Predictive Index, holds a PhD in psychology, an MBA, and a Harvard Business School Certificate of Management Excellence, and he teaches leadership and HR as a part-time faculty member at Boston College.
In this conversation, Matt breaks down the four forces that pull teams back together and gives us specific, fast, free things we can do as managers to counteract the drift before it costs us our best people.
If you've ever felt like your team is quietly coming apart at the seams and couldn't quite name why, this one's for you.
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My guest today calls it entropy, and he's built an entire framework and even a measurement tool around reversing it.
Matt Pupsel is the author of Expand the Circle: Enlightened Leadership for our New World of Work, and he hosts the Lead the People podcast.
He's vice president and godfather of talent optimization at The Predictive Index, holds a PhD in psychology, an MBA, and a Harvard Business School Certificate of Management Excellence, and he teaches leadership and HR as a part-time faculty member at Boston College.
In this conversation, Matt breaks down the four forces that pull teams back together and gives us specific, fast, free things we can do as managers to counteract the drift before it costs us our best people.
If you've ever felt like your team is quietly coming apart at the seams and couldn't quite name why, this one's for you.