Jul 7, 2026 · 26 min · 13 segments
Isabella Tree catches up with Carl Sayer, Professor of Limnology & Freshwater Ecology at University College London - aka the Eel Man - as he prepares for this year’s survey of Knepp’s eels. Once…
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On these sort of dark thick, thickly shrouded nights where it's just completely the sort of worst night you can imagine, when you should be in the warmth of a pub.

And, and on those dark nights, that's when the eels move, and he described the same thing as huge numbers going down rivers.

Eels had started to dwindle in the '80s really, and it really pushed through into the '90s and to where we are today.

But we're looking at, we're looking at a species with actually a really complex life cycle, and that's always a problem.

So it goes to sea to spawn to some mystical place that we don't really understand, you know, out in the Sargasso Sea.

Some, some massively deep, mysterious underwater place where they spawn, but we don't really understand it, and then ocean currents carry them, carrying them back.

The Gulf Stream brings them back to, to Europe and North Africa, and then they, they ride the currents.

They ride the bores sometimes up some of the rivers, and they head into fresh waters, and you're talking two or three years.

And then of course, they come back as silver eels, but what a incredibly complex thing, and it takes several years.

So with such a messy life cycle and such a long life cycle, there's so much scope for it to go wrong.

On these sort of dark thick, thickly shrouded nights where it's just completely the sort of worst night you can imagine, when you should be in the warmth of a pub.

And, and on those dark nights, that's when the eels move, and he described the same thing as huge numbers going down rivers.

Eels had started to dwindle in the '80s really, and it really pushed through into the '90s and to where we are today.

But we're looking at, we're looking at a species with actually a really complex life cycle, and that's always a problem.

So it goes to sea to spawn to some mystical place that we don't really understand, you know, out in the Sargasso Sea.

Some, some massively deep, mysterious underwater place where they spawn, but we don't really understand it, and then ocean currents carry them, carrying them back.

The Gulf Stream brings them back to, to Europe and North Africa, and then they, they ride the currents.

They ride the bores sometimes up some of the rivers, and they head into fresh waters, and you're talking two or three years.

And then of course, they come back as silver eels, but what a incredibly complex thing, and it takes several years.

So with such a messy life cycle and such a long life cycle, there's so much scope for it to go wrong.
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