May 27, 2026 · 46 min · 10 segments
In this episode, Mr. Sydney Seiler moderated a discussion with Ambassador Joseph Yun and Mr. Adam Farrar to examine the new frameworks proposed in Dr. Victor Cha’s recent Foreign Affairs article…
Joseph YunGuestAdam FarrarGuestJoe, you've been doing this for a couple of decades now.
Don't remind me how long it's been.
That's right.
But what do you think about the possibility that Victor is trying to create with his proposal?
I think Victor has done a real service to our policy formulation, framing essentially what I think is a complete reality, which is past approaches have failed.
And, you know, for past few months, we've all gone through the Iran experience, of course.
And that brings back the nightmares, you know, for me, bad dreams in any case, which is that there is, to me, Our policymaking, and we're seeing this again in Iran, you know, is conflicted.
And to me, that has always been in conflict how the system, US government, from low level to highest level deals with it.
But when we have this conflicted goal, And really, I mean, if you ask any American, not policymaker, but anyone to say, you know, what do you think about North Korea? And most people's immediate reaction, number one, is a human rights abuser.
I was wondering if you're trying to carve out a thing that denied the reality and legitimacy of North Korea, but yet still held regime change as a bad thing to do.
Joe, you've been doing this for a couple of decades now.
Don't remind me how long it's been.
That's right.
But what do you think about the possibility that Victor is trying to create with his proposal?
I think Victor has done a real service to our policy formulation, framing essentially what I think is a complete reality, which is past approaches have failed.
And, you know, for past few months, we've all gone through the Iran experience, of course.
And that brings back the nightmares, you know, for me, bad dreams in any case, which is that there is, to me, Our policymaking, and we're seeing this again in Iran, you know, is conflicted.
And to me, that has always been in conflict how the system, US government, from low level to highest level deals with it.
But when we have this conflicted goal, And really, I mean, if you ask any American, not policymaker, but anyone to say, you know, what do you think about North Korea? And most people's immediate reaction, number one, is a human rights abuser.
I was wondering if you're trying to carve out a thing that denied the reality and legitimacy of North Korea, but yet still held regime change as a bad thing to do.
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