Sep 30, 2026 · 46 min · 11 segments
What happens when leadership development becomes about more than leadership? In this episode, Dr. Milt Lowder sits down with Nick Campbell and Lauren Luneckas to reflect on their 10 for 12 experiences…
Milt LowderHostNick CampbellGuestYou know, I was really excited by the fact that our cohort was pretty diverse, especially in terms of professional experience.
And I've done some things with my industry, which I think has value and importance in its own way.
But to come to a group with a lot of different perspectives, was really valuable and encouraging me to continue to pursue that after 10 for 12.
So if I'm up against a particularly unique challenge or stepping into a new role like motherhood, which is new for me, finding a group of folks that may not always be the obvious, the go-to group to provide some insights, that has been hugely valuable, especially professionally, to be honest.
If we're grappling with something at the museum that's related to our facilities, I'm going to find a friend in the construction industry who will help me look at it and think through maybe what the solution might be differently.
And I found so much value in that cohort model and our group in particular being kind of from across the spectrum of industries in the upstate.
And I mean, Nick referenced this a little bit, but there was the commonality that everyone there was curious and was excited to learn.
And I also think it helped me find that again, post 10 for 12, find the people even outside that cohort who have that same kind of curiosity and that same desire for continual improvement, even if it's incremental.
It's just helped me build a better team, a better life team, and probably a better team at the museum, though I haven't really thought about it in that perspective.
Lauren, as you're talking, I'm having a flashback to one of our meetings at Mill Pine where you almost said that exact same thing, that this has sparked that curiosity.
I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I can almost visualize that moment of awareness and that light bulb clicking, and you could see that energy taking place.
It's so easy to get in a world where we are all facing the same challenges and you see the same problems and they're difficult solutions to kind of open up outside of that and have a different lens from a for-profit or a different industry with significant challenges or somebody at a different stage of life.
I think that's a great perspective and something I think we all should do more of.
And I think a lot of what I find very interesting having a few years removed from my experience is also thinking about ways I'm applying what we talked about in that moment.
I think I had a real aha moment around vision for our family and a personal vision statement because I spend so much time on core values and brand and vision for the organization.
that hadn't really thought about it for us and at that point children were not on our radar we now have a daughter and and to adapt but not overhaul the vision that i created with the guidance of the amplos team to apply to this new phase of life which was a significant shift for us has also been really useful and there'll be big professional shifts to come and further personal shifts, but the principles and that foundation we set that I got so excited about, I'm still referencing.
It's been three and a half years, but it's right there on my desk and it gets brushed off every now and then.
You know, I was really excited by the fact that our cohort was pretty diverse, especially in terms of professional experience.
And I've done some things with my industry, which I think has value and importance in its own way.
But to come to a group with a lot of different perspectives, was really valuable and encouraging me to continue to pursue that after 10 for 12.
So if I'm up against a particularly unique challenge or stepping into a new role like motherhood, which is new for me, finding a group of folks that may not always be the obvious, the go-to group to provide some insights, that has been hugely valuable, especially professionally, to be honest.
If we're grappling with something at the museum that's related to our facilities, I'm going to find a friend in the construction industry who will help me look at it and think through maybe what the solution might be differently.
And I found so much value in that cohort model and our group in particular being kind of from across the spectrum of industries in the upstate.
And I mean, Nick referenced this a little bit, but there was the commonality that everyone there was curious and was excited to learn.
And I also think it helped me find that again, post 10 for 12, find the people even outside that cohort who have that same kind of curiosity and that same desire for continual improvement, even if it's incremental.
It's just helped me build a better team, a better life team, and probably a better team at the museum, though I haven't really thought about it in that perspective.
Lauren, as you're talking, I'm having a flashback to one of our meetings at Mill Pine where you almost said that exact same thing, that this has sparked that curiosity.
I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I can almost visualize that moment of awareness and that light bulb clicking, and you could see that energy taking place.
It's so easy to get in a world where we are all facing the same challenges and you see the same problems and they're difficult solutions to kind of open up outside of that and have a different lens from a for-profit or a different industry with significant challenges or somebody at a different stage of life.
I think that's a great perspective and something I think we all should do more of.
And I think a lot of what I find very interesting having a few years removed from my experience is also thinking about ways I'm applying what we talked about in that moment.
I think I had a real aha moment around vision for our family and a personal vision statement because I spend so much time on core values and brand and vision for the organization.
that hadn't really thought about it for us and at that point children were not on our radar we now have a daughter and and to adapt but not overhaul the vision that i created with the guidance of the amplos team to apply to this new phase of life which was a significant shift for us has also been really useful and there'll be big professional shifts to come and further personal shifts, but the principles and that foundation we set that I got so excited about, I'm still referencing.
It's been three and a half years, but it's right there on my desk and it gets brushed off every now and then.
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