Jun 1, 2026 · 1 hr 2 min · 9 segments
Dr. Eric Cole has worked in cybersecurity for over 30 years, helping organizations protect their data. He started as a CIA hacker who could access any internet-connected computer. Using this…
Greg McKeownHost
Eric ColeGuest
The human interaction process is so complex, it's working on so many levels simultaneously, and we're so evolved and developed to be able to do it.
You'd think AI, despite its massive computing capacity, is still in a completely different category.
You get done in a day what takes people quarters and years to do, but it can't replace me because at some point, emotion must come into the game, and computers are emotionless.
At what point do the robots basically decide they don't need humans and we become obsolete? Because the reality is if we're saying computers can replace humans, well, here's the better part.
So i- if we're sitting there and saying that we're allowing this functionality to be replaced by robots, we're gonna be obsolete.
I'm your host, Greg McKeown, and in today's conversation, we're going to be talking with Dr. Eric Cole, who spent time as a hacker for the CIA in advising presidents and global organizations on cybersecurity.
And one of the things that's, that is compelling about him is that he's taken that same hacker mindset and used it to focus on clarity, leverage, and intentional action, uh, way beyond technology itself.
Uh, in this episode, we're gonna explore how thinking like a hacker can help us debug limiting beliefs, rewrite unhelpful mental patterns, and focus on energy on what actually moves the needle.
So it's a practical conversation about agency, responsibility, and designing better outcomes, one thoughtful decision at a time.
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The human interaction process is so complex, it's working on so many levels simultaneously, and we're so evolved and developed to be able to do it.
You'd think AI, despite its massive computing capacity, is still in a completely different category.
You get done in a day what takes people quarters and years to do, but it can't replace me because at some point, emotion must come into the game, and computers are emotionless.
At what point do the robots basically decide they don't need humans and we become obsolete? Because the reality is if we're saying computers can replace humans, well, here's the better part.
So i- if we're sitting there and saying that we're allowing this functionality to be replaced by robots, we're gonna be obsolete.
I'm your host, Greg McKeown, and in today's conversation, we're going to be talking with Dr. Eric Cole, who spent time as a hacker for the CIA in advising presidents and global organizations on cybersecurity.
And one of the things that's, that is compelling about him is that he's taken that same hacker mindset and used it to focus on clarity, leverage, and intentional action, uh, way beyond technology itself.
Uh, in this episode, we're gonna explore how thinking like a hacker can help us debug limiting beliefs, rewrite unhelpful mental patterns, and focus on energy on what actually moves the needle.
So it's a practical conversation about agency, responsibility, and designing better outcomes, one thoughtful decision at a time.