Sep 30, 2026 · 1 hr 15 min · 17 segments
Recorded live on Tuesday September 29, 2026 -- Julie Roginsky and Michelle Kinney are joined by Ben Lazarus, one of the best Democratic pollsters in the country, for real hopium about the midterms…
Michelle KinneyHostmean, I would argue we need more than just 51 seats because we have a problem.
Listen, I want to I want to ask you before we get into all these individual races and people are asking excellent questions and comments on Substack, including where people just need that extra push to get over the finish line.
because I hear this all the time and people are like, how hard is it to pull? Like, come on.
You just ask 600 people, you get a cross section of people and you ask them questions and like, why do pollsters get it wrong? Yeah.
But I've sat through a lot of poll groups and I've sat through and I've certainly read a lot of polls.
And I would say there is no harder job on any campaign, not one, than being a pollster because it is both a science and an art.
Events, right? Like what happened two years ago or four years ago in a similar state.
And the reality is in the age of Trump, it is almost impossible that passes predicate, right? I mean, can you talk about that? Because I think people just don't understand how absolutely excruciatingly hard your job is and the job of every other pollster out there.
mean, I would argue we need more than just 51 seats because we have a problem.
Listen, I want to I want to ask you before we get into all these individual races and people are asking excellent questions and comments on Substack, including where people just need that extra push to get over the finish line.
because I hear this all the time and people are like, how hard is it to pull? Like, come on.
You just ask 600 people, you get a cross section of people and you ask them questions and like, why do pollsters get it wrong? Yeah.
But I've sat through a lot of poll groups and I've sat through and I've certainly read a lot of polls.
And I would say there is no harder job on any campaign, not one, than being a pollster because it is both a science and an art.
Events, right? Like what happened two years ago or four years ago in a similar state.
And the reality is in the age of Trump, it is almost impossible that passes predicate, right? I mean, can you talk about that? Because I think people just don't understand how absolutely excruciatingly hard your job is and the job of every other pollster out there.
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