The Deal with Animals with Marika S. Bell
Sep 7, 2026 · 1 hr 1 min · 14 segments
Episode 6 of Series 16: The Captivity Conversation- Transcript Dogs live under profound human control and their wellbeing depends on how we understand…
Jessica PierceGuest
Marika BellHost
If you were a dog, what kind of life would you want? This isn't a rhetorical question.

For a millennium at least, humans have been contemplating the idea of reincarnation, and Western philosophers have used this as an ethical thought experiment.

If you were to wake up one morning and all sentient consciousness had been shuffled into other bodies, how important do you think non-human animal rights would be to you? I love this question.


Following last week's conversation with Victoria Stilwell, where we looked at the practical consequences of captivity in the home, Jessica Pierce helps us understand the moral ones.

Jessica is a bioethicist whose writing and work examine what it means for dogs to live under profound levels of human control.

She's the author of Run Spot Run and the co-author of Unleashing Your Dog with Marc Bekoff.


It's a conversation that asks what it really means to step into your dog's shoes.

How do you start observing your dog like a mythologist? With curiosity instead of criticism.

What kind of ethical homework can you do to better understand the life unfolding right next to you? Thank you for joining me as we ask, what's the deal with pet captivity?
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