The Deal with Animals with Marika S. Bell
Aug 10, 2026 · 27 min · 12 segments
Episode 5 looks outward: how to apply the psychology of eating animals, behaviour‑change research, and cross‑disciplinary insights to build a more effective, culturally aware, globally relevant…
Marika BellHost
Jared PiazzaGuest
Ondine ShermanGuest
Chris HopwoodGuestKatja LeibelGuest

I'm Marika Bell, anthrozoologist, CPDT dog trainer, and like you, an animal myself.
The deal is everything.

Thank you for joining me in this special mini-series covering the Animal Advocacy Conference and for asking the question, what's the deal with animals? We've spent this series tracing a psychological arc.

How children see animals, why adults get stuck, what actually changes behavior, and how science and advocacy can and sometimes can't work together.

Because the future of animal advocacy won't be shaped by one strategy or one discipline.

It will be shaped by the next generation, by systemic change, by collaboration across fields, and by the stories we choose to tell.

This episode brings together voices from across the conference to explore what gives them hope, what they're building toward, and what they believe is possible.
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