The Deal with Animals with Marika S. Bell
Jul 6, 2026 · 27 min · 11 segments
First episode in a five‑episode series recorded at the Psychology of Human–Animal Intergroup Relations (PHAIR) Conference, exploring how beliefs, identity, childhood perception, and social norms shape…
Marika BellHostKatja LeibelGuest
Jared PiazzaGuestAntonia GeffhardtGuest
Ondine ShermanGuest
Sue O'NeillGuest
Joshua RotmanGuest
And because they're truly unfamiliar, the children meet them without all the usual rules, without being told what these creatures are for or what they're allowed to feel.

We can learn so much from them.
The deal is everything.
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