The Compassionate Leader School Podcast
Jun 23, 2026 · 18 min · 8 segments
Your best people are leaving because of the ceiling. And in most cases, the ceiling has a name. It's the leadership capacity of the person above them. At some point, that person is you. In this…
Debbie LawrenceHost
And And I remember this morning, we were on a regular call, the two of us, the way we did every few weeks.

He was in another province, and we were both in the Atlantic region team and in sales at IBM.

But this call felt different from the start, right? Ron was one of those salespeople that you recognize immediately.

He's the kind of guy that could walk into a room and come out with a relationship that the organization couldn't have built any other way.

He was the kind of person who made the whole team better just by being on it.

And we had a regional sales manager that we worked with and communicated with.

And when it came to Ron, as he always talked about his manager, this manager played very small.

I'd been hearing... about it for months every time Ron said that he would bring up a different approach or a fresh idea to one of his branch meetings he said you know something always happened to it this manager would redirect or he said sometimes he'd minimize the impact of it and it's like he'd slow it down until the momentum was completely gone and The ideas were great, but they required something the manager either couldn't visualize or wasn't willing to reach for.

And on this particular call, I immediately noticed how Ron didn't sound frustrated anymore.

But as long as I report to him as my manager, I recognize that there will never be opportunity for me.

And And I remember this morning, we were on a regular call, the two of us, the way we did every few weeks.

He was in another province, and we were both in the Atlantic region team and in sales at IBM.

But this call felt different from the start, right? Ron was one of those salespeople that you recognize immediately.

He's the kind of guy that could walk into a room and come out with a relationship that the organization couldn't have built any other way.

He was the kind of person who made the whole team better just by being on it.

And we had a regional sales manager that we worked with and communicated with.

And when it came to Ron, as he always talked about his manager, this manager played very small.

I'd been hearing... about it for months every time Ron said that he would bring up a different approach or a fresh idea to one of his branch meetings he said you know something always happened to it this manager would redirect or he said sometimes he'd minimize the impact of it and it's like he'd slow it down until the momentum was completely gone and The ideas were great, but they required something the manager either couldn't visualize or wasn't willing to reach for.

And on this particular call, I immediately noticed how Ron didn't sound frustrated anymore.

But as long as I report to him as my manager, I recognize that there will never be opportunity for me.
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