The Climate Resilience Podcast
Jun 9, 2026 · 34 min · 10 segments
Recorded immediately after JBA's invitation-only Climate Resilience Exchange at this year's Flood and Coast conference, in this episode, Phil sits down with David Hodcroft, Head of Strategic…
So, look, let's take it then almost section by section as you went through the meeting.
of discussion for the group this afternoon was around integrated systems thinking.
He's president of the ICE, talking about the ICE State of the Nation report, which is their strategy.
reaction and response to the the 10-year infrastructure strategy so that was great um but this this first question then was around integrated systems thinking and i suppose specifically the governance the regulatory the institutional changes that we need to see so that we can get clear ownership of cross-sector infrastructure you mentioned david there one of the one of the headlines was around you know who should be accountable You know, who should be accountable for managing and funding and delivering resilience.
There's a point made that resilience is everyone's responsibility, but no one's accountable for that.
And we did also talk through that actually plans are worthless, but planning is everything.
So we're saying actually a plan is good because it gives you the direction where you want to go to, but it doesn't give you any certainty because there is always change happening, whether it's global events or local events or political change.
But the process of having a plan helps organizations understand what they're working towards and how they're going to communicate with the different stakeholders or partners.
And then we also talked around outcomes, the whole system approach, how we build back better.
We talked about extreme weather, but actually we talked about just the usual weather and growth dynamics as well.
We also highlighted some of the biggest opportunities in terms of aligning place outcomes, what that means at a geographical scale.
So we're talking through, again, what is the right appropriate scale? So clearly if you're delivering a railway scheme and it's across the whole of the country, then it should be a national issue.
So, look, let's take it then almost section by section as you went through the meeting.
of discussion for the group this afternoon was around integrated systems thinking.
He's president of the ICE, talking about the ICE State of the Nation report, which is their strategy.
reaction and response to the the 10-year infrastructure strategy so that was great um but this this first question then was around integrated systems thinking and i suppose specifically the governance the regulatory the institutional changes that we need to see so that we can get clear ownership of cross-sector infrastructure you mentioned david there one of the one of the headlines was around you know who should be accountable You know, who should be accountable for managing and funding and delivering resilience.
There's a point made that resilience is everyone's responsibility, but no one's accountable for that.
And we did also talk through that actually plans are worthless, but planning is everything.
So we're saying actually a plan is good because it gives you the direction where you want to go to, but it doesn't give you any certainty because there is always change happening, whether it's global events or local events or political change.
But the process of having a plan helps organizations understand what they're working towards and how they're going to communicate with the different stakeholders or partners.
And then we also talked around outcomes, the whole system approach, how we build back better.
We talked about extreme weather, but actually we talked about just the usual weather and growth dynamics as well.
We also highlighted some of the biggest opportunities in terms of aligning place outcomes, what that means at a geographical scale.
So we're talking through, again, what is the right appropriate scale? So clearly if you're delivering a railway scheme and it's across the whole of the country, then it should be a national issue.
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