Christina FinnPanelist
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Jane MatthewsPanelist
We are hearing this morning from BBC Radio, um, in Northern Ireland that the document that was presented to both sides, the residents on the Garvaghy Road and the Drumcree Orange Order by Chris Bryant, that they, the agreement that it looked like they could make from this document was the Garvaghy R- Road residents would acknowledge that the Drumcree Orange Order had a right, a legal right, to march on the road, that they would acknowledge publicly that they shouldn't have protested-

... for the past seven days, and then in return, the Orange Order would accept that but then choose to not march down the road.

It looked like the Garvaghy residents were willing to accept that, uh, the details of that document, but the Orange Order have kind of said this morning that it's not acceptable to them.

Yeah, that's kind of basically kind of what happened since last night, and, you know, it might have been seen as, you know, maybe somewhat of an off-ramp in the sense that no one is being told they can't march, but essentially it does kind of avoid the question of, is the march taking place? Um, you kind of have to, i- if, if that deal had been accepted by the Orange Order, they would've had to, you know, give up walking down the road.

It's not about giving up the right, because the right would've been acknowledged to walk down the road, but the actual march itself wouldn't have happened.

So, and I think that's, you know, that's [chuckles] essentially what this whole debate is about.

So, it's, yeah, I'm not surprised that that has been rejected, essentially, but it is hard to see where it goes from here because it's hard to see a solution, um, when, you know, one side is insisting on a march taking place and the other side insisting on a march, uh, not happening.

You know, the Secretary of State, you know, could, um, and this is what Sinn Féin has asked for and what, you know, the Garvaghy Road residents have asked for, essentially for the, um, Secretary of State to intervene and use his powers to, um, I'm not sure if it's cancel the march or essentially reroute the march, because, uh, you know, the mar- a march could take place that goes down a different route, and that has, obviously has been on the table for a long time, but that obviously is not acceptable, uh, to the Orange Order.

But it does, you know, put the Irish government in a very difficult position.

I think we've seen, you know, it played out over the last few days and over the last week that, you know, Irish politicians are in many ways kind of speaking on the same hymn sheet on this.

I think, you know, the Taoiseach was very strong in saying, you know, "There's no need for the parade to go down the Garvaghy Road." You know, you know, that is a strong statement because there are, [chuckles] you know, other routes available.

It's also just a statement of the obvious, you know? You know, there's no need for it to go down, but what can the government do to go even further than that? Um, Sinn Féin say, well, the government could lobby the UK Northern Ireland Secretary to override this, but, you know, it would be inflammatory to Unionists for the Secretary of State to step in and cancel it.

Even more so, you'd think, if it was publicly acknowledged that the Irish government had asked for this.

But I think, you know, some important context i, in this, needed around it, and that is that this parade itself is, is different, you know, both in terms of, I think, the violence and the rancor that surrounded the march specifically, but also how destabilizing it was for the wider province here in the '90s, and later on, I think, you know, Sarah Creighton writing in The Irish News today from a, a Unionist pers- perspective kind of said, "You know, there's a reason why this march was banned for 30 years and never revisited." And I think that's, that's a reason why this is particularly, it's a particularly difficult one.

And for the Parades Commission itself, which, you know, you might argue has been largely working for a long time.

I mean, I'm, I'm [chuckles] not involved in organizing parades, but the Parades Commission was in large part set up to deal, not for this specifically, but, you know, as a result of this specific march, and I think, I think there was an analysis done over the past 10 years of all the parades that has notified, about 63% of the parades were Unionist parades, and 93% of those parades went ahead without restrictions.

We are hearing this morning from BBC Radio, um, in Northern Ireland that the document that was presented to both sides, the residents on the Garvaghy Road and the Drumcree Orange Order by Chris Bryant, that they, the agreement that it looked like they could make from this document was the Garvaghy R- Road residents would acknowledge that the Drumcree Orange Order had a right, a legal right, to march on the road, that they would acknowledge publicly that they shouldn't have protested-

... for the past seven days, and then in return, the Orange Order would accept that but then choose to not march down the road.

It looked like the Garvaghy residents were willing to accept that, uh, the details of that document, but the Orange Order have kind of said this morning that it's not acceptable to them.

Yeah, that's kind of basically kind of what happened since last night, and, you know, it might have been seen as, you know, maybe somewhat of an off-ramp in the sense that no one is being told they can't march, but essentially it does kind of avoid the question of, is the march taking place? Um, you kind of have to, i- if, if that deal had been accepted by the Orange Order, they would've had to, you know, give up walking down the road.

It's not about giving up the right, because the right would've been acknowledged to walk down the road, but the actual march itself wouldn't have happened.

So, and I think that's, you know, that's [chuckles] essentially what this whole debate is about.

So, it's, yeah, I'm not surprised that that has been rejected, essentially, but it is hard to see where it goes from here because it's hard to see a solution, um, when, you know, one side is insisting on a march taking place and the other side insisting on a march, uh, not happening.

You know, the Secretary of State, you know, could, um, and this is what Sinn Féin has asked for and what, you know, the Garvaghy Road residents have asked for, essentially for the, um, Secretary of State to intervene and use his powers to, um, I'm not sure if it's cancel the march or essentially reroute the march, because, uh, you know, the mar- a march could take place that goes down a different route, and that has, obviously has been on the table for a long time, but that obviously is not acceptable, uh, to the Orange Order.

But it does, you know, put the Irish government in a very difficult position.

I think we've seen, you know, it played out over the last few days and over the last week that, you know, Irish politicians are in many ways kind of speaking on the same hymn sheet on this.

I think, you know, the Taoiseach was very strong in saying, you know, "There's no need for the parade to go down the Garvaghy Road." You know, you know, that is a strong statement because there are, [chuckles] you know, other routes available.

It's also just a statement of the obvious, you know? You know, there's no need for it to go down, but what can the government do to go even further than that? Um, Sinn Féin say, well, the government could lobby the UK Northern Ireland Secretary to override this, but, you know, it would be inflammatory to Unionists for the Secretary of State to step in and cancel it.

Even more so, you'd think, if it was publicly acknowledged that the Irish government had asked for this.

But I think, you know, some important context i, in this, needed around it, and that is that this parade itself is, is different, you know, both in terms of, I think, the violence and the rancor that surrounded the march specifically, but also how destabilizing it was for the wider province here in the '90s, and later on, I think, you know, Sarah Creighton writing in The Irish News today from a, a Unionist pers- perspective kind of said, "You know, there's a reason why this march was banned for 30 years and never revisited." And I think that's, that's a reason why this is particularly, it's a particularly difficult one.

And for the Parades Commission itself, which, you know, you might argue has been largely working for a long time.

I mean, I'm, I'm [chuckles] not involved in organizing parades, but the Parades Commission was in large part set up to deal, not for this specifically, but, you know, as a result of this specific march, and I think, I think there was an analysis done over the past 10 years of all the parades that has notified, about 63% of the parades were Unionist parades, and 93% of those parades went ahead without restrictions.
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