The Business Take-Away Podcast
Aug 31, 2026 · 55 min · 12 segments
You can be brilliant at your job and still have no real strategy for your career. In this episode of **The Business Takeaway Podcast**, Ben Payne sits down with executive coach **Kim Sawyer** to…
Kim SawyerGuest
Ben PayneHost
That's a great place to be, right? So let's go into the topic, right? So you talk about CEOs, they should think of themselves as the CEO of their own career, professionals, right? What does that actually mean? What are you trying to say to people here?

So people are very clear, successful professionals, executives, entrepreneurs, that the thing they're doing now is a business and should be approached that way with rigor and clarity and skill and intention and planning.

And proactive involvement to bring success to their current business or more often than not to the company of their employer.

But they never stop back, rarely step back and think, well, my career is a business, just the same.

But am I running it that way? When I get up each day and go to work and then go back home, is my career done? No, my job is done.

My career can go in all sorts of directions and a wide range of possible possibilities.

I'm capable of many things and can be capable of many more with a little effort to increase my skill sets and capabilities.

What if I were to actually become the CEO of my career and Grow it the way I would my boss's company or my own company if I'm an entrepreneur.

How would my career be different and how would I be doing it differently? It's a paradigm shift.

I'm a CEO, and I have one customer right now that we call employer or my current business.

And I think it's quite interesting because I think back to my family, right? My grandfather, he worked for one company and basically stayed all the way through his career, right? My dad, three companies.

Are you seeing that transition as people now are seeing they can go and do a new job, they can move to a new sector, change? Is that something you're seeing a lot more from people nowadays?

changes in circumstance, changes in marketplace, changes in boss, layoffs, things happening.

Maybe their business gets bought and there's an exit strategy, but then they're stuck there.

So what I'm realizing is as the world changes, people are getting stuck in the midst of the change because the thing that worked before for a while can't keep working because things are changing as they are as well.

What my premise is, what if you do that on purpose? What if you lead the changes? What if you plan, explore, develop, and then when the new next best thing comes, make the choice to move from what you're doing now to that deliberately with a bigger picture in mind so that at some point in time, your future may look something like what you want it to look like.

That's a great place to be, right? So let's go into the topic, right? So you talk about CEOs, they should think of themselves as the CEO of their own career, professionals, right? What does that actually mean? What are you trying to say to people here?

So people are very clear, successful professionals, executives, entrepreneurs, that the thing they're doing now is a business and should be approached that way with rigor and clarity and skill and intention and planning.

And proactive involvement to bring success to their current business or more often than not to the company of their employer.

But they never stop back, rarely step back and think, well, my career is a business, just the same.

But am I running it that way? When I get up each day and go to work and then go back home, is my career done? No, my job is done.

My career can go in all sorts of directions and a wide range of possible possibilities.

I'm capable of many things and can be capable of many more with a little effort to increase my skill sets and capabilities.

What if I were to actually become the CEO of my career and Grow it the way I would my boss's company or my own company if I'm an entrepreneur.

How would my career be different and how would I be doing it differently? It's a paradigm shift.

I'm a CEO, and I have one customer right now that we call employer or my current business.

And I think it's quite interesting because I think back to my family, right? My grandfather, he worked for one company and basically stayed all the way through his career, right? My dad, three companies.

Are you seeing that transition as people now are seeing they can go and do a new job, they can move to a new sector, change? Is that something you're seeing a lot more from people nowadays?

changes in circumstance, changes in marketplace, changes in boss, layoffs, things happening.

Maybe their business gets bought and there's an exit strategy, but then they're stuck there.

So what I'm realizing is as the world changes, people are getting stuck in the midst of the change because the thing that worked before for a while can't keep working because things are changing as they are as well.

What my premise is, what if you do that on purpose? What if you lead the changes? What if you plan, explore, develop, and then when the new next best thing comes, make the choice to move from what you're doing now to that deliberately with a bigger picture in mind so that at some point in time, your future may look something like what you want it to look like.
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