The Association Insights Podcast
Aug 26, 2026 · 44 min · 12 segments
In this episode of *The Association Insights Podcast powered by OnWrd & UpWrd*, host Colleen Gallagher sits down with David Whited, Principal, Research & Strategy at Highland, to explore how…
David WhitedGuest
Colleen GallagherHostAnd especially when you bring up something like the focus on non-dues revenue, which seems like a good thing for associations and, oh, we're doing something positive.
And then the negative effects it can have, if not looked at through a bigger picture or how it's going to impact everything, the way we go about doing that.

I mean, and, you know, of course, you know, nobody's going to sit here and say we don't love non-news revenue.

But it's really about if one of the most a really influential thinker for me has been David Stroh, who is one of the leading thinkers in systems thinking sort.

David Stroh always sort of talks about how all organizations start, you know, really with a single focus and a single purpose.

And for associations, that really was like, we want to be a partner for these people that are in our field, right? We want to show up for them right when they need it.

So all organizations, whether they're All social service organizations, healthcare organizations, they all start with this sort of single focus and purpose.

But then what tends to happen is that they need parts in order to accomplish that focus.

So when you think about healthcare, right, you've got all these different parts that within a healthcare organization, you've got the physicians, you've got the nurses, you've got the administration, you've got billing, and all of these parts like started with the purpose of the wellness of the individual patient, but then over time, they start to optimize for their own benefit.
And especially when you bring up something like the focus on non-dues revenue, which seems like a good thing for associations and, oh, we're doing something positive.
And then the negative effects it can have, if not looked at through a bigger picture or how it's going to impact everything, the way we go about doing that.

I mean, and, you know, of course, you know, nobody's going to sit here and say we don't love non-news revenue.

But it's really about if one of the most a really influential thinker for me has been David Stroh, who is one of the leading thinkers in systems thinking sort.

David Stroh always sort of talks about how all organizations start, you know, really with a single focus and a single purpose.

And for associations, that really was like, we want to be a partner for these people that are in our field, right? We want to show up for them right when they need it.

So all organizations, whether they're All social service organizations, healthcare organizations, they all start with this sort of single focus and purpose.

But then what tends to happen is that they need parts in order to accomplish that focus.

So when you think about healthcare, right, you've got all these different parts that within a healthcare organization, you've got the physicians, you've got the nurses, you've got the administration, you've got billing, and all of these parts like started with the purpose of the wellness of the individual patient, but then over time, they start to optimize for their own benefit.
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