Sep 28, 2026 · 27 min · 9 segments
“Vibe coding is already present in your company,” according to David Hsu, CEO of Retool and governance is the only way to secure it. Let's put this into context. Think of a Fortune 500 company’s CIO…
David HsuGuest
Shivangi DuaHost
Okay, but we're in this world where now even needing a developer to essentially come on as, let's say, a software developer who potentially needs to put an idea into an AI software and then obviously like prompted to create this code.

But from an enterprise perspective, what is the change about the way companies should think about software development? Where is the skill that should not go unnoticed?

Yeah, so most enterprises over the last 10, 20, 30 years, especially with the whole digital transformation wave, most of us have not had enough engineers, software engineers.

We're all hiring software engineers very rapidly because the primary way we drive efficiency in our company is via software.

They're figuring out how to optimize their processes, deliver more Coke, et cetera.

And so software has kind of been sort of the driving growth lever for enterprises over the last two, three decades.

But secondarily, I think probably in the next 18, 24 months, software engineering may itself actually go away.

And what you're going to have is effectively a bunch of knowledge workers, so non-software engineers, people that work in marketing, people that work in sales, people that work in operations, they will all be building software.

And that's actually a pretty scary new world, if you will, because software engineers are very well aware of what guardrails they need when they go build software.

No software engineer will deploy to prod immediately, you know, without CoderView, for example.

You actually led me to my next question quite easily because you mentioned everyone in the enterprise might suddenly become like this developer of a sort.

So if everyone in that case can suddenly become a software builder, you also have potentially thousands of applications being created outside IT's line of sight.

What happens when the speed of building software outpaces an enterprise's ability to govern it? How do you set up those guardrails?

Okay, but we're in this world where now even needing a developer to essentially come on as, let's say, a software developer who potentially needs to put an idea into an AI software and then obviously like prompted to create this code.

But from an enterprise perspective, what is the change about the way companies should think about software development? Where is the skill that should not go unnoticed?

Yeah, so most enterprises over the last 10, 20, 30 years, especially with the whole digital transformation wave, most of us have not had enough engineers, software engineers.

We're all hiring software engineers very rapidly because the primary way we drive efficiency in our company is via software.

They're figuring out how to optimize their processes, deliver more Coke, et cetera.

And so software has kind of been sort of the driving growth lever for enterprises over the last two, three decades.

But secondarily, I think probably in the next 18, 24 months, software engineering may itself actually go away.

And what you're going to have is effectively a bunch of knowledge workers, so non-software engineers, people that work in marketing, people that work in sales, people that work in operations, they will all be building software.

And that's actually a pretty scary new world, if you will, because software engineers are very well aware of what guardrails they need when they go build software.

No software engineer will deploy to prod immediately, you know, without CoderView, for example.

You actually led me to my next question quite easily because you mentioned everyone in the enterprise might suddenly become like this developer of a sort.

So if everyone in that case can suddenly become a software builder, you also have potentially thousands of applications being created outside IT's line of sight.

What happens when the speed of building software outpaces an enterprise's ability to govern it? How do you set up those guardrails?
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