Sep 17, 2026 · 28 min · 11 segments
We are joined by a professional learning facilitator, learner, and cleaner! Kazuko regularly bridges and weaves together each strand, often in a single day. We hear vivid descriptions of what its like…
Kazuko IwaiGuest
Erica AustinHost
Sam WolfeHost
Because you're saying you're both a learner and a teacher, as well as a, are you still cleaning? I am.
So with all of those views, all those perspectives of that space, how would you describe those rhythms across time?
I mean, my perspective became, is that the right way? The wider, the more understanding.
While I was a cleaner, just a cleaner, I had lots of complaints, like, why can't they just use this much cleaner, much better? Why can't they...
When the class is on, how they... act or behave and then so I have more understanding and then more protection
Or maybe if we raise the rubbish bin a little bit higher, there won't be a coffee skid mark on a wall or something like that.
And then when you clean and present something, It has to be, it has to, my philosophy is I clean so that the next person can not only feel good, but easily do their activities.
Because you're saying you're both a learner and a teacher, as well as a, are you still cleaning? I am.
So with all of those views, all those perspectives of that space, how would you describe those rhythms across time?
I mean, my perspective became, is that the right way? The wider, the more understanding.
While I was a cleaner, just a cleaner, I had lots of complaints, like, why can't they just use this much cleaner, much better? Why can't they...
When the class is on, how they... act or behave and then so I have more understanding and then more protection
Or maybe if we raise the rubbish bin a little bit higher, there won't be a coffee skid mark on a wall or something like that.
And then when you clean and present something, It has to be, it has to, my philosophy is I clean so that the next person can not only feel good, but easily do their activities.
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