Jun 20, 2026 · 53 min · 10 segments
HOST: Heidi Hatch GUESTS: Maura Carabello, John Dougall **ICE plans to sell warehouse facilities in Salt Lake, six other cities moving back to existing detention space** “From day one, DHS has…
Maura CarabelloGuest
Heidi HatchHost
So I want to start with the newest news that's happening right now is we found out yesterday from a New York Times reporter that there were seven warehouses across the country, including the one in Salt Lake City, Utah, that ICE had purchased for a large amount of cash that would be sold off.

I called DHS, confirmed with them that they're moving back to The concept they were originally looking at under the Biden administration for actual jail beds that existed.

They said, at least from their reporting to The New York Times, that it could get repurposed to another federal building.

I'm not sure what they need a warehouse for, but they're back to square one and there's a lot of money on the line.

I mean, I think this was seen as largely a misstep at this moment in management.

And I say that because they're closing several of the ones that they've purchased.

And I think it's where maybe the political, the politic around it got in front of the operations of it.

I don't hear law enforcement or anyone on the left or the right saying, no, no, no, please keep this open.

There's still a need that it's expressed by the Department of Homeland Security.

The sheriffs are sort of the... uh local agency of record that ice would reach out to because they are the jailers of record so this conversation isn't over but i really actually am celebrating that um this is not the use for this urbanized area and really importantly this facility was never intended to house people i mean that i think that that this this is where operations perhaps caught up with politics

Do you think this has anything to do with the lawsuit or is this just a switch in who's heading up the DHS? Because we've had a shift in management, we could call it, that's made some changes along the way as well.
If they were only shifting this one, then you might say a lawsuit might have something to do with it.
But given that they're changing with seven warehouses and going in a new direction, they have new management.
It just has everything to do with how do we accomplish this mission, which is how do we detain, deport the really dangerous illegal immigrants that are in our communities? When we look at the failed policies on the southern border and having to deal with ramifications, that's the broader picture.
And I think ICE and DHS is probably getting a better idea of where there's public support and where there's not public support in terms of their activities in enforcement.

So one of the big questions is we've talked about this on the podcast before when they were originally looking for bed space.

So I want to start with the newest news that's happening right now is we found out yesterday from a New York Times reporter that there were seven warehouses across the country, including the one in Salt Lake City, Utah, that ICE had purchased for a large amount of cash that would be sold off.

I called DHS, confirmed with them that they're moving back to The concept they were originally looking at under the Biden administration for actual jail beds that existed.

They said, at least from their reporting to The New York Times, that it could get repurposed to another federal building.

I'm not sure what they need a warehouse for, but they're back to square one and there's a lot of money on the line.

I mean, I think this was seen as largely a misstep at this moment in management.

And I say that because they're closing several of the ones that they've purchased.

And I think it's where maybe the political, the politic around it got in front of the operations of it.

I don't hear law enforcement or anyone on the left or the right saying, no, no, no, please keep this open.

There's still a need that it's expressed by the Department of Homeland Security.

The sheriffs are sort of the... uh local agency of record that ice would reach out to because they are the jailers of record so this conversation isn't over but i really actually am celebrating that um this is not the use for this urbanized area and really importantly this facility was never intended to house people i mean that i think that that this this is where operations perhaps caught up with politics

Do you think this has anything to do with the lawsuit or is this just a switch in who's heading up the DHS? Because we've had a shift in management, we could call it, that's made some changes along the way as well.
If they were only shifting this one, then you might say a lawsuit might have something to do with it.
But given that they're changing with seven warehouses and going in a new direction, they have new management.
It just has everything to do with how do we accomplish this mission, which is how do we detain, deport the really dangerous illegal immigrants that are in our communities? When we look at the failed policies on the southern border and having to deal with ramifications, that's the broader picture.
And I think ICE and DHS is probably getting a better idea of where there's public support and where there's not public support in terms of their activities in enforcement.

So one of the big questions is we've talked about this on the podcast before when they were originally looking for bed space.
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