Surviving Narcissistic Abuse with Jill Wise
Aug 19, 2026 · 39 min · 8 segments
Send us Fan Mail Have you ever wondered how someone can lie to you, manipulate you, betray you, psychologically abuse you—and somehow walk away…
Jill WiseHost
You can spend years, literally years, showing up for someone, forgiving things you never should have forgiven, giving them chance after chance after chance, trying desperately to communicate, trying to save the relationship, um, trying to understand their childhood, uh, their trauma, their insecurities, their excuses, their moods, their triggers.

And eventually, when you can't take it anymore and you finally begin responding differently, setting boundaries, confronting the behavior, getting angry, withdrawing or leaving, suddenly the entire story change, changes.

And if you've lived through this like I have, you know how disorienting that is because you're standing there thinking, "Were we even in the same relationship?" I think most people explain this by saying narcissists don't take accountability, and that's certainly true, but I think there's something deeper happening.

I think psychologically they often need you to be the villain because if you're not the villain, then they may have to confront something their entire personality structure is organized around avoiding, the possibility that they are responsible for the damage that they've created.

And for a narcissistic person whose identity depends on protecting an idealized version of themselves, that isn't simply uncomfortable.

There's a distinction I want to make right at the beginning because I think it's in- incredibly, incredibly important.

Escaping accountability means I know I did something wrong, but I don't want to face the consequences.

It means I need to believe that I was justified, mistreated, misunderstood, provoked, or victimized because I cannot tolerate seeing myself as the person who caused the harm.

You can spend years, literally years, showing up for someone, forgiving things you never should have forgiven, giving them chance after chance after chance, trying desperately to communicate, trying to save the relationship, um, trying to understand their childhood, uh, their trauma, their insecurities, their excuses, their moods, their triggers.

And eventually, when you can't take it anymore and you finally begin responding differently, setting boundaries, confronting the behavior, getting angry, withdrawing or leaving, suddenly the entire story change, changes.

And if you've lived through this like I have, you know how disorienting that is because you're standing there thinking, "Were we even in the same relationship?" I think most people explain this by saying narcissists don't take accountability, and that's certainly true, but I think there's something deeper happening.

I think psychologically they often need you to be the villain because if you're not the villain, then they may have to confront something their entire personality structure is organized around avoiding, the possibility that they are responsible for the damage that they've created.

And for a narcissistic person whose identity depends on protecting an idealized version of themselves, that isn't simply uncomfortable.

There's a distinction I want to make right at the beginning because I think it's in- incredibly, incredibly important.

Escaping accountability means I know I did something wrong, but I don't want to face the consequences.

It means I need to believe that I was justified, mistreated, misunderstood, provoked, or victimized because I cannot tolerate seeing myself as the person who caused the harm.
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