Sep 16, 2026 · 37 min · 9 segments
**The Magic** **Sober.coffee Podcast Summary** Mike and Glenn welcome a very special guest to the Sober.Coffee shop: Big Bill, a foundational pillar in both of their sobriety journeys whose…
right, so here's a key learning from Bill.
So I don't know if you're going to remember this, but you told a cooler story one time that had a lot of impact on me with you and your wife and packing the cooler and, you know, to this point, right? And that was the point of your cooler story.
If I had done it differently, I wouldn't have had to blow up over this cooler story of how the cooler was packed or something.
And so what I would do is I would, like I remember Jen, your cooler story was my workbench story.
So I came home one day and Jen's rearranging my workbench in the garage, right? And I mean, I started going to convulsions, right? And I stopped myself in the moment because I remembered your cooler story.
I said, okay, I'm not going to flip out.
I'm just going to let her do it, right? And it doesn't matter in the moment.
And so...
I said something to her, and I paused.
I'm like, you know what, babe? Rearrange it any way that you want.
I said, have at it.
And I start to walk inside the house, and I had to pull a little bill out.
I said, because I'm just going to change it back anyhow.
And I literally thought about you.
And you know what? You're right.
If you sit there and live differently, you know.
Attitude and outlook.
Yeah, that 10th, 11th step, that page 86, reflect on your day.
You don't have to do as much work, but that takes time.
It does take time, and that's why going through the steps.
In step six, I can realize now, I didn't realize when I work with other people, I can see how these steps work.
And they have to be in order.
But I couldn't do it as I was going through them.
But now in step six, you know, we let go of our old life.
And in step seven, we firmly grab a hold of our new life.
right, so here's a key learning from Bill.
So I don't know if you're going to remember this, but you told a cooler story one time that had a lot of impact on me with you and your wife and packing the cooler and, you know, to this point, right? And that was the point of your cooler story.
If I had done it differently, I wouldn't have had to blow up over this cooler story of how the cooler was packed or something.
And so what I would do is I would, like I remember Jen, your cooler story was my workbench story.
So I came home one day and Jen's rearranging my workbench in the garage, right? And I mean, I started going to convulsions, right? And I stopped myself in the moment because I remembered your cooler story.
I said, okay, I'm not going to flip out.
I'm just going to let her do it, right? And it doesn't matter in the moment.
And so...
I said something to her, and I paused.
I'm like, you know what, babe? Rearrange it any way that you want.
I said, have at it.
And I start to walk inside the house, and I had to pull a little bill out.
I said, because I'm just going to change it back anyhow.
And I literally thought about you.
And you know what? You're right.
If you sit there and live differently, you know.
Attitude and outlook.
Yeah, that 10th, 11th step, that page 86, reflect on your day.
You don't have to do as much work, but that takes time.
It does take time, and that's why going through the steps.
In step six, I can realize now, I didn't realize when I work with other people, I can see how these steps work.
And they have to be in order.
But I couldn't do it as I was going through them.
But now in step six, you know, we let go of our old life.
And in step seven, we firmly grab a hold of our new life.
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