Aug 13, 2026 · 56 min · 10 segments
I used to believe that the most grueling part of making a major life change was the initial act of execution—the moment you finally steel your resolve, draw a line in the sand, and make the big…
Natasha RamlallGuestMargieHostAnd so this is why I wanted to have you on the show because-
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many people who stop drinking tell me that the hardest part wasn't necessarily giving up the alcohol, it was figuring out who they were without it.
And when you hear that, does that sound like what you call an identity rupture?

I think, I think that's such an important piece of, you know, any kind of habits or things that we're using in our life that are such a significant, um, either a coping mechanism or a part of how we spend our time.

You know, like, if, if we're leaving something and moving forward without it, there's going to be an empty space.

There's going to be a piece connected to our pleasure or, um, the way that we spend our time that-
Who we hang out with

And so there, there needs to be a, a reckoning with, who am I when I strip away all of the different things that I've used to kind of create the way my life looks, and what is important to me, um, in those moments? Like, I'm thinking of, you know, in my own experience when I became a little bit more aware of the role that alcohol was playing in my life, and I've never really had a, a huge issue with it, but I did notice that it w- had become a bit of an autopilot habit for me.

And I would notice that I would be in situations with people in my life, and it was pretty boring, or we just were not connecting, or it was awkward.

And, you know, as I got older and I started to feel, you know, the, the repercussions of drinking the morning after and I started to notice that this wasn't a habit that I felt was serving me so much anymore, um, I really had to reflect on, if a situation is not fun [laughs] until we introduce, um, alcohol, then is that a situation where I need to be spending my time? And, and I think that was a really important question for me, and it just sort of turned on the awareness piece, and I was able to shine a light on so many of the different things I was doing in my life, and asking myself, "What is the thing that I'm gaining from this, you know, activity or this experience or this friendship?" Um, and I don't mean gaining it in a selfish way, but the, you know, sort of the mutual exchange, the benefit of this.

Um, and, and that can be a painful reckoning too, like getting really honest about things that you thought were so important and so valuable, and when you strip away those mechanisms, you realize, "Oh, maybe it's not exactly what I thought it was." There's a bit of a, a reveal that can be uncomfortable there.
Thank you for sharing that story.
I think that that's such, such a good example of just an ordinary everyday moment where it's worth reflecting.
Now, in my case, um, you know, I was gifted with an intervention by my family, and so I ended up in a treatment center.
And as I was there for the first week or two, I'm looking around at all these people who had lost their job and they had lost their kids and they had lost their house.
And like, I didn't have any of those consequences yet.
Um, but every week they would bring people in from outside who had been sober for a long time, um, generally in the AA community, 'cause back then that's all there was.
And so this is why I wanted to have you on the show because-
...
many people who stop drinking tell me that the hardest part wasn't necessarily giving up the alcohol, it was figuring out who they were without it.
And when you hear that, does that sound like what you call an identity rupture?

I think, I think that's such an important piece of, you know, any kind of habits or things that we're using in our life that are such a significant, um, either a coping mechanism or a part of how we spend our time.

You know, like, if, if we're leaving something and moving forward without it, there's going to be an empty space.

There's going to be a piece connected to our pleasure or, um, the way that we spend our time that-
Who we hang out with

And so there, there needs to be a, a reckoning with, who am I when I strip away all of the different things that I've used to kind of create the way my life looks, and what is important to me, um, in those moments? Like, I'm thinking of, you know, in my own experience when I became a little bit more aware of the role that alcohol was playing in my life, and I've never really had a, a huge issue with it, but I did notice that it w- had become a bit of an autopilot habit for me.

And I would notice that I would be in situations with people in my life, and it was pretty boring, or we just were not connecting, or it was awkward.

And, you know, as I got older and I started to feel, you know, the, the repercussions of drinking the morning after and I started to notice that this wasn't a habit that I felt was serving me so much anymore, um, I really had to reflect on, if a situation is not fun [laughs] until we introduce, um, alcohol, then is that a situation where I need to be spending my time? And, and I think that was a really important question for me, and it just sort of turned on the awareness piece, and I was able to shine a light on so many of the different things I was doing in my life, and asking myself, "What is the thing that I'm gaining from this, you know, activity or this experience or this friendship?" Um, and I don't mean gaining it in a selfish way, but the, you know, sort of the mutual exchange, the benefit of this.

Um, and, and that can be a painful reckoning too, like getting really honest about things that you thought were so important and so valuable, and when you strip away those mechanisms, you realize, "Oh, maybe it's not exactly what I thought it was." There's a bit of a, a reveal that can be uncomfortable there.
Thank you for sharing that story.
I think that that's such, such a good example of just an ordinary everyday moment where it's worth reflecting.
Now, in my case, um, you know, I was gifted with an intervention by my family, and so I ended up in a treatment center.
And as I was there for the first week or two, I'm looking around at all these people who had lost their job and they had lost their kids and they had lost their house.
And like, I didn't have any of those consequences yet.
Um, but every week they would bring people in from outside who had been sober for a long time, um, generally in the AA community, 'cause back then that's all there was.
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