Aug 25, 2026 · 50 min · 13 segments
AI agents can build a demo in a day. But what happens when they touch a production system with years of technical debt, undocumented decisions, security requirements, and real customers?In this…
Krishna Kumar SharmaGuest
Philippe TrounevHost
And, you know, when you start to feel the loss of money, it's very different than, you know, let's just wipe out everything in production.

Because, you know, you have a lot of these people on Twitter, they're sitting around and they have 10 applications that nobody have heard of that they've built and they pretend like they have millions of dollars of revenue.

And, you know, they ship everything into production or they just vibe code directly in production, which is now the trend, which all of those things are ridiculous when you're talking about real money and real revenue and you want to make sure things are working, otherwise you leak this.

And, you know, you've argued that public AI coding examples are essentially like greenfield experiments.

Why do those experiments fail to represent how engineering actually works in the companies? And like, what do those people not understand?

They understand what is actually happening, but they have their own agendas.

For example, many of them just want to create hype and they want like people to go and check their application or increase some distribution or sell something very silly to make some revenue.

On the other side, many of them, in my opinion, actually are getting paid by big AI companies to create a hype, create so much of noise so that other people, they actually go and try to use these different AI techniques.


And for them to get profitable, you should be burning money on API tokens.

And that's why everybody is saying, well, spawn 50 agents to solve a task and things like that.

And I think during our pre-screen, we were actually talking about, like, what is the optimal number of agents? So let's actually now finally get into agentic development.

So what are some of the things, some of the best practices that you've identified, some of the frameworks that you've created? So let's talk about the actual reality of what works in enterprise.

And, you know, when you start to feel the loss of money, it's very different than, you know, let's just wipe out everything in production.

Because, you know, you have a lot of these people on Twitter, they're sitting around and they have 10 applications that nobody have heard of that they've built and they pretend like they have millions of dollars of revenue.

And, you know, they ship everything into production or they just vibe code directly in production, which is now the trend, which all of those things are ridiculous when you're talking about real money and real revenue and you want to make sure things are working, otherwise you leak this.

And, you know, you've argued that public AI coding examples are essentially like greenfield experiments.

Why do those experiments fail to represent how engineering actually works in the companies? And like, what do those people not understand?

They understand what is actually happening, but they have their own agendas.

For example, many of them just want to create hype and they want like people to go and check their application or increase some distribution or sell something very silly to make some revenue.

On the other side, many of them, in my opinion, actually are getting paid by big AI companies to create a hype, create so much of noise so that other people, they actually go and try to use these different AI techniques.


And for them to get profitable, you should be burning money on API tokens.

And that's why everybody is saying, well, spawn 50 agents to solve a task and things like that.

And I think during our pre-screen, we were actually talking about, like, what is the optimal number of agents? So let's actually now finally get into agentic development.

So what are some of the things, some of the best practices that you've identified, some of the frameworks that you've created? So let's talk about the actual reality of what works in enterprise.
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