Oct 1, 2026 · 44 min · 13 segments
Florence Pugh on East of Eden and the Tragedy of Cathy Ames…
Florence PughGuestKrista SmithHost
I think the most important thing that we were very protective of, especially with Cathy/Kate, is, um, everything that happens to you in your lifetime will cause a knock-on effect somewhere else down the line.
Whether you meant to do it, whether you didn't mean to do it, whether it was done to you by accident or on purpose, there will be a ripple effect of how that affects your, uh, choices, your growing, your understanding of life, and Cathy is a prime example of that.
Something happened to her very young, and it changed the way that she saw the world forever.
Um, and, and I will defend, uh, all of her because of the things that happened to her when she was young affected every decision that she made for the rest of her life.
So we've now got that in real time with when she's a young woman, we've got that when she's giving birth, we've got that-
when she decides to leave her children, we've got that later on when she's a madam.
And then she's forced to be face to face with her children, the decision that she made years ago, leaving them.
And that is only possible because we've, we've got so much time to, to view all of these lives and to view all of these decisions, and it is unbelievably human.
... whether it's the families, the brothers, the dad, the dad's relationship with Mike and Chris-
Everything is t- is a cycle, and everything will find its way to the surface in the future.
He's the one that teaches them, he's the one that allows them to be loved and to be looked after.
I think the most important thing that we were very protective of, especially with Cathy/Kate, is, um, everything that happens to you in your lifetime will cause a knock-on effect somewhere else down the line.
Whether you meant to do it, whether you didn't mean to do it, whether it was done to you by accident or on purpose, there will be a ripple effect of how that affects your, uh, choices, your growing, your understanding of life, and Cathy is a prime example of that.
Something happened to her very young, and it changed the way that she saw the world forever.
Um, and, and I will defend, uh, all of her because of the things that happened to her when she was young affected every decision that she made for the rest of her life.
So we've now got that in real time with when she's a young woman, we've got that when she's giving birth, we've got that-
when she decides to leave her children, we've got that later on when she's a madam.
And then she's forced to be face to face with her children, the decision that she made years ago, leaving them.
And that is only possible because we've, we've got so much time to, to view all of these lives and to view all of these decisions, and it is unbelievably human.
... whether it's the families, the brothers, the dad, the dad's relationship with Mike and Chris-
Everything is t- is a cycle, and everything will find its way to the surface in the future.
He's the one that teaches them, he's the one that allows them to be loved and to be looked after.
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