Aug 25, 2026 · 1 hr 5 min · 11 segments
What if the most valuable curriculum for working adults already exists inside the organizations where they work? In this episode of *Signals in Higher Ed*, Darin Francis sits down with Andrew Salmon…
Andrew SalmondGuest
Darin FrancisHost
[upbeat music] Hey everybody, it's Darren Francis with Harbinger Lane, and this is Signals in Higher Ed.
Uh, today, I have with me Andrew Salmond, the co-founder of Entangled Learning.
Uh, Andrew, we've been talking on this podcast for, I think we're going on 35 weeks of content specifically focused on experiential learning.
We've talked to people internationally and domestically, uh, from the higher ed perspective.
We've talked to many of the companies that build content or platforms or services to support experiential learning.
And you and I and your co-founder, Kevin, have had a few conversations to this point, enough for me to feel like what you're doing in this space definitely intersects, and I wanna get into it.
Um, but I think that we need to kind of first start a little bit so that people understand what your company is all about.
But Entangled Learning is building degree pathways where the learner's work drives the curriculum instead of the other way around.
No, I think in the, in the higher ed sense, yeah, that's, that's pretty spot on.
We would, we would say that, um, you know, typically when you think about curriculum, you think about a structured, uh, text-based curriculum that's developed by faculty or even a- another company.
The way we think about the type of learning that, that we do, which is organizational learning, it's the, there are practices within an organization, whether it's a, a school district or a manufacturer or in- or any organization, and our view is that those, the, the practices of that organization are the curriculum.
And so when we talk about, um, the y- the, the language you used was, uh, work-driven learning, I think is how you described it.
We would s- we would say that the, um, the student, they are researching the practices of that organization and the, the practices are serving as the curriculum.
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[upbeat music] Hey everybody, it's Darren Francis with Harbinger Lane, and this is Signals in Higher Ed.
Uh, today, I have with me Andrew Salmond, the co-founder of Entangled Learning.
Uh, Andrew, we've been talking on this podcast for, I think we're going on 35 weeks of content specifically focused on experiential learning.
We've talked to people internationally and domestically, uh, from the higher ed perspective.
We've talked to many of the companies that build content or platforms or services to support experiential learning.
And you and I and your co-founder, Kevin, have had a few conversations to this point, enough for me to feel like what you're doing in this space definitely intersects, and I wanna get into it.
Um, but I think that we need to kind of first start a little bit so that people understand what your company is all about.
But Entangled Learning is building degree pathways where the learner's work drives the curriculum instead of the other way around.
No, I think in the, in the higher ed sense, yeah, that's, that's pretty spot on.
We would, we would say that, um, you know, typically when you think about curriculum, you think about a structured, uh, text-based curriculum that's developed by faculty or even a- another company.
The way we think about the type of learning that, that we do, which is organizational learning, it's the, there are practices within an organization, whether it's a, a school district or a manufacturer or in- or any organization, and our view is that those, the, the practices of that organization are the curriculum.
And so when we talk about, um, the y- the, the language you used was, uh, work-driven learning, I think is how you described it.
We would s- we would say that the, um, the student, they are researching the practices of that organization and the, the practices are serving as the curriculum.