Regenerative Agriculture Podcast
Sep 24, 2026 · 1 hr 30 min · 11 segments
In this Podcast Extra, Brody Benton of Six B and John Kempf, founder of Advancing Eco Agriculture, dig into why plants are shutting down weeks before black layer, what top dieback is actually telling…
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But I guess I'm starting to get to, um, uh, you know, get into, okay, what are, what are the short and long-term solutions from this? 'Cause we might have, uh, you know, we might have the, um, uh, this environment, same environment next year.

But what becomes the, you know, going down the, the main highway saying, "If I can stay between these road dishes," you know, my plan is gonna be able to withstand any sort of environment that we, you know, get into from year to year.
Um, and I'm just, I'm thinking about the macroeconomic environment and, like, some of these, some of these problems, uh, or shouldn't call them problems, but some of these opportunities for correction were so easy and so affordable three or four years ago.
Uh, when we talk about stalk rots and crown rots, all of these, um- In order for a cell to be susceptible to these fungal invaders, one of the things that is required is that the cell not have good, um, lignin synthesis machinery, I'll call it.
And that lignin biosynthesis process is entirely dependent on copper, which has largely been ignored for a long time.
So one of the things that we found to be quite effective is just making sure that our plants have adequate levels of copper and having adequate levels of calcium and boron.
And, and all of a sudden, the, the virulence of those diseases just drops off the edge of the cliff.
But, um, I think kind of a precursor to that conversation, we could have a conversation about copper.
Those are kind of the big four, manganese as well, that really, uh, inhibit the development of, of these various diseases, both foliage diseases and stalk and crown diseases.
But the, the conversation that I had on the podcast with Mike Omeg, which Phil has link- been kind enough to link here in the comments, that aired last week, has given me a lot to think about.

But I guess I'm starting to get to, um, uh, you know, get into, okay, what are, what are the short and long-term solutions from this? 'Cause we might have, uh, you know, we might have the, um, uh, this environment, same environment next year.

But what becomes the, you know, going down the, the main highway saying, "If I can stay between these road dishes," you know, my plan is gonna be able to withstand any sort of environment that we, you know, get into from year to year.
Um, and I'm just, I'm thinking about the macroeconomic environment and, like, some of these, some of these problems, uh, or shouldn't call them problems, but some of these opportunities for correction were so easy and so affordable three or four years ago.
Uh, when we talk about stalk rots and crown rots, all of these, um- In order for a cell to be susceptible to these fungal invaders, one of the things that is required is that the cell not have good, um, lignin synthesis machinery, I'll call it.
And that lignin biosynthesis process is entirely dependent on copper, which has largely been ignored for a long time.
So one of the things that we found to be quite effective is just making sure that our plants have adequate levels of copper and having adequate levels of calcium and boron.
And, and all of a sudden, the, the virulence of those diseases just drops off the edge of the cliff.
But, um, I think kind of a precursor to that conversation, we could have a conversation about copper.
Those are kind of the big four, manganese as well, that really, uh, inhibit the development of, of these various diseases, both foliage diseases and stalk and crown diseases.
But the, the conversation that I had on the podcast with Mike Omeg, which Phil has link- been kind enough to link here in the comments, that aired last week, has given me a lot to think about.
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