Jul 9, 2026 · 13 min · 9 segments
The living Savior ministry 
Frank LugenheimGuest
Thurman ScrivnerHost
They got three beautiful boys, about 15, 14, and on down 13 and 11, something like that.

But they had a very tough, rocky road, you know, a rocky ride with their marriage.

I'm going to let Frank tell you a little about their life to start out with.

They were on up in years a little bit, and they were kind of settled in their ways, both of them.

And so they had a kind of rocky road, and it created a real problem for of unforgiveness and not willing to submit on the woman's part, and it caused devastating things in the life of their children.
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They got three beautiful boys, about 15, 14, and on down 13 and 11, something like that.

But they had a very tough, rocky road, you know, a rocky ride with their marriage.

I'm going to let Frank tell you a little about their life to start out with.

They were on up in years a little bit, and they were kind of settled in their ways, both of them.

And so they had a kind of rocky road, and it created a real problem for of unforgiveness and not willing to submit on the woman's part, and it caused devastating things in the life of their children.