Jun 18, 2026 · 36 min · 17 segments
In honor of Father's Day, here is a family friendly bonus episode from our kids' podcast Terrestrials*.* What does it really mean to be a dad?…
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Lulu MillerHost
Eduardo Fernandez-DuqueGuestYeah.

And while he is completely obsessed with his new daughter, Mila, completely in love with her, he says he wasn't sure exactly what to do with her or how to soothe her, bathe her.
I was, I didn't grow up sort of being super comfortable expressing my emotions-
... or super comfortable with physical touch.

And so at first, with this baby in his arms, he just felt a little awkward or unnatural, which felt, in this weird way, like maybe the natural way for a dad to feel.
There was this story about what's natural, you know, what's natural for the mom, for the dad, for the family, and we did have, in my education, a lot of comparisons to animals-
...
but usually we were being compared to chimpanzees.

Growing up, Michael was told that since humans were closely related to chimps through evolution, we're both primates, we share a common ancestor, then some of the things chimps do might somehow be inside us as instincts too.

And chimp dads, well, at the time Michael was growing up, they were understood to be very aggressive at their worst.

And at their best, well, they were just off somewhere else It seemed like in nature, the dad role
Was about hunting and protection.

And he thought, well, maybe nature was sending him a message that he'd never be good at the softer side of parenting.

[phone ringing] And then one day a few years ago, Michael is lamenting about all this, what a dad's natural role truly is, when his friend says, "Wait, wait, wait.
He studies owl monkeys, and I reached out to him, and he was like, "I'll come over."
"I'll come over to your house.
Let's have, like, let's have a playdate," basically.
And I was like, "Okay, that's awesome.
Come to my house."
Yeah.

And while he is completely obsessed with his new daughter, Mila, completely in love with her, he says he wasn't sure exactly what to do with her or how to soothe her, bathe her.
I was, I didn't grow up sort of being super comfortable expressing my emotions-
... or super comfortable with physical touch.

And so at first, with this baby in his arms, he just felt a little awkward or unnatural, which felt, in this weird way, like maybe the natural way for a dad to feel.
There was this story about what's natural, you know, what's natural for the mom, for the dad, for the family, and we did have, in my education, a lot of comparisons to animals-
...
but usually we were being compared to chimpanzees.

Growing up, Michael was told that since humans were closely related to chimps through evolution, we're both primates, we share a common ancestor, then some of the things chimps do might somehow be inside us as instincts too.

And chimp dads, well, at the time Michael was growing up, they were understood to be very aggressive at their worst.

And at their best, well, they were just off somewhere else It seemed like in nature, the dad role
Was about hunting and protection.

And he thought, well, maybe nature was sending him a message that he'd never be good at the softer side of parenting.

[phone ringing] And then one day a few years ago, Michael is lamenting about all this, what a dad's natural role truly is, when his friend says, "Wait, wait, wait.
He studies owl monkeys, and I reached out to him, and he was like, "I'll come over."
"I'll come over to your house.
Let's have, like, let's have a playdate," basically.
And I was like, "Okay, that's awesome.
Come to my house."
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