Jun 25, 2026 · 1 hr 6 min · 21 segments
With Julio Linares. To change the world, we need a money revolution. Yet the debate over money has been dominated by two perspectives: those free-market capitalists who want money to rule…
Julio LinaresGuest
Chris BrownHost
So I first did a money burning ritual on the eve of the memorial of the death of my friend, comrade and teacher, David Graver.
I heard about money-burning rituals before through, like, friends, friends of friends, especially in the UK scene.
Never did them before, and I thought, you know, I had a dollar, and I thought, like, why not just do it then? And people started burning, I don't know, like, bus tickets and, you know, like...
old passports whatever it was so it was like a nice sort of moment to like both remember david and also transgress a lot of the things that he wanted to also get rid of um so i think that's how it started and then after that i sort of kept doing it on my own or with like a few friends really as like a form of i call it anarchy spiritual practice because i don't have a better term for it You know, I don't have like a particular religion or anything.
I have certain practices I do, spiritual practices, and I think money burning is one of them.
It allows me to, in a way, say, you know, this money here that defines most of my life and most of our lives doesn't have the power that we think it does.
So when you burn it, it sort of creates this really intense moment of being in the present.
So I've also done these rituals in different contexts with activist settings, like climate activists, to talk about, you know, the specific relationships that money has to like the ecology or like in like, you know, tech settings with like crypto brands, just to like see what also comes up.
yeah with friends with different people so it's it's interesting to see everyone's different responses to it because it sort of highlights sort of their own memories dreams traumas uh and also positions within the the capitalist system you know like when you burn a bill you know marx called this process of giving power to objects commodity fetishism right yeah I think when you burn the bill, you kind of unwind the fetish of giving the power to object that then has power over you.
You then say, no, this power of destruction is something that I as a human actually have.
When people see the money burning, they say and feel a lot of things like, don't burn that money.
Like, you know, working class people, poor people need this money to live, you know, which is true.
She said like, You know, when you burn these five euros, I think about the milk for my son.
So I first did a money burning ritual on the eve of the memorial of the death of my friend, comrade and teacher, David Graver.
I heard about money-burning rituals before through, like, friends, friends of friends, especially in the UK scene.
Never did them before, and I thought, you know, I had a dollar, and I thought, like, why not just do it then? And people started burning, I don't know, like, bus tickets and, you know, like...
old passports whatever it was so it was like a nice sort of moment to like both remember david and also transgress a lot of the things that he wanted to also get rid of um so i think that's how it started and then after that i sort of kept doing it on my own or with like a few friends really as like a form of i call it anarchy spiritual practice because i don't have a better term for it You know, I don't have like a particular religion or anything.
I have certain practices I do, spiritual practices, and I think money burning is one of them.
It allows me to, in a way, say, you know, this money here that defines most of my life and most of our lives doesn't have the power that we think it does.
So when you burn it, it sort of creates this really intense moment of being in the present.
So I've also done these rituals in different contexts with activist settings, like climate activists, to talk about, you know, the specific relationships that money has to like the ecology or like in like, you know, tech settings with like crypto brands, just to like see what also comes up.
yeah with friends with different people so it's it's interesting to see everyone's different responses to it because it sort of highlights sort of their own memories dreams traumas uh and also positions within the the capitalist system you know like when you burn a bill you know marx called this process of giving power to objects commodity fetishism right yeah I think when you burn the bill, you kind of unwind the fetish of giving the power to object that then has power over you.
You then say, no, this power of destruction is something that I as a human actually have.
When people see the money burning, they say and feel a lot of things like, don't burn that money.
Like, you know, working class people, poor people need this money to live, you know, which is true.
She said like, You know, when you burn these five euros, I think about the milk for my son.
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