Apr 10, 2026 · 54 min · 19 segments
As a co-founder of Hims and Hers, Joe helped take a direct-to-consumer healthcare brand public at a $1.6 billion valuation. Now as CEO of Dutch, he is reshaping how pet owners access veterinary care…
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So people talk about this all the time, like, oh, this is what happens in business.
And I would like to tell the audience the amount of failures and iterations we've had just in doing this podcast between-
... power outages, between cameras overheating, between headphones need to be redone.
Just we've been trying to do this for so long, and what I've loved about this dynamic is you can see your experience showing up here as well, where you just pivot.
Can you give me an example of a pivot, either in Dutch or, or, or in Hims, where you've had to pivot on the spot? Because I've seen you pivot just in talking to you now for the podcast, where, "Oh my God, so many pivots, so many pivots," um, where you've had to do it in business, where people can kind of relate to and say, "Oh, that's a pivot," and these are kind of the steps on how they do that.
So people talk about this all the time, like, oh, this is what happens in business.
And I would like to tell the audience the amount of failures and iterations we've had just in doing this podcast between-
... power outages, between cameras overheating, between headphones need to be redone.
Just we've been trying to do this for so long, and what I've loved about this dynamic is you can see your experience showing up here as well, where you just pivot.
Can you give me an example of a pivot, either in Dutch or, or, or in Hims, where you've had to pivot on the spot? Because I've seen you pivot just in talking to you now for the podcast, where, "Oh my God, so many pivots, so many pivots," um, where you've had to do it in business, where people can kind of relate to and say, "Oh, that's a pivot," and these are kind of the steps on how they do that.
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