Phenomena Podcast- The Science & Stories of Energy Healing
Jun 23, 2026 · 1 hr 1 min · 9 segments
Ron served in Vietnam and witnessed many harrowing scenes in his Air Force career, both at home and abroad. Later in life, he found himself in need of a bilateral lung transplant. And while the…
Ivy RossHost
Wayne JonasGuest
Meredith SpringleHostRonGuest
Maggie McIlvaineGuest[gentle music] Believe me when I tell you it was deep and dark, and I'm not embellishing.
One morning, I started praying for Jesus to come get me.
I'm not a guy to give up easy, and I begged him to come get me.
It had gotten so bad.
And all of a sudden, I feel something real warm on my back, like a hand.
And then all of a sudden I heard a voice and it said, "It's not your time."

Throughout history, almost every culture in the world has used what we now generally call energy healing to help ease suffering.

But modern medicine pushed these practices, these phenomena, to the margins, and stories of energy healing became just that: stories.

I'm curious about the forces that connect us all, and so I invite you to join me as I explore this new frontier in medicine and healing with astonishing stories, compelling science, and an open mind and heart.

There's no bone to set, nothing surgery can fix, and medications come with an entire spectrum of unknowns and risks.

This episode contains descriptions of wartime violence that might be disturbing for some.

But it's important to tell this story as our guest told it, because his memories are the stuff of nightmares, for him, quite literally.
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[gentle music] Believe me when I tell you it was deep and dark, and I'm not embellishing.
One morning, I started praying for Jesus to come get me.
I'm not a guy to give up easy, and I begged him to come get me.
It had gotten so bad.
And all of a sudden, I feel something real warm on my back, like a hand.
And then all of a sudden I heard a voice and it said, "It's not your time."

Throughout history, almost every culture in the world has used what we now generally call energy healing to help ease suffering.

But modern medicine pushed these practices, these phenomena, to the margins, and stories of energy healing became just that: stories.

I'm curious about the forces that connect us all, and so I invite you to join me as I explore this new frontier in medicine and healing with astonishing stories, compelling science, and an open mind and heart.

There's no bone to set, nothing surgery can fix, and medications come with an entire spectrum of unknowns and risks.

This episode contains descriptions of wartime violence that might be disturbing for some.

But it's important to tell this story as our guest told it, because his memories are the stuff of nightmares, for him, quite literally.