Aug 31, 2026 · 29 min · 13 segments
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Liz CroftGuestMichael PietrackHostAnd that's, again, you said, you know, what you learned from him has transcended leadership and just applied to life.
You know, I've been around animals a little bit and it's so amazing what you can learn from them.
Was there anything from working with animals directly that has shaped your leadership style?
Yeah, so I think horses are, and it's funny, this is such a long time ago in my life, but it's like it was yesterday.
So, you know, horses are interesting creatures, right? They're very intuitive and they're very sort of react to your emotion, right? They can read you.
And, and sometimes they're, you know, wilder than others and, and they don't put you at ease.
And, um, and I think in, in being around horses and riding and all of those, those activities, never underestimate people, never underestimate, um, what people's potential are.
So the quiet ones, right? The quiet horses, um, they could be the fastest runners.
They could be the absolute most sweetest animals once you got them in an environment that they were comfortable in.
But also just because someone is quiet and just because someone is loud doesn't mean that they're the outcome is what you expect it to be.
And, you know, as I was thinking about that, as you were starting your answer, I was thinking, how would I answer that question? And I was thinking like some, you know, horses are skittish.
And that's, again, you said, you know, what you learned from him has transcended leadership and just applied to life.
You know, I've been around animals a little bit and it's so amazing what you can learn from them.
Was there anything from working with animals directly that has shaped your leadership style?
Yeah, so I think horses are, and it's funny, this is such a long time ago in my life, but it's like it was yesterday.
So, you know, horses are interesting creatures, right? They're very intuitive and they're very sort of react to your emotion, right? They can read you.
And, and sometimes they're, you know, wilder than others and, and they don't put you at ease.
And, um, and I think in, in being around horses and riding and all of those, those activities, never underestimate people, never underestimate, um, what people's potential are.
So the quiet ones, right? The quiet horses, um, they could be the fastest runners.
They could be the absolute most sweetest animals once you got them in an environment that they were comfortable in.
But also just because someone is quiet and just because someone is loud doesn't mean that they're the outcome is what you expect it to be.
And, you know, as I was thinking about that, as you were starting your answer, I was thinking, how would I answer that question? And I was thinking like some, you know, horses are skittish.
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