Sep 23, 2026 · 28 min · 15 segments
If a promising gospel discussion turns into an argument or reaches an impasse, that's often a sign of conflicting worldviews. Many of us don't think too much about our worldview, the underling values…
Andrew BuntGuest
Gavin MatthewsHost
Simon WenhamHost
You're also an author, aren't you? You've put out several books and, and part of what you've written about or most of what you've written about in the past has been around sort of the, those core areas to do with Living Out of sexual ethics and gender identity, but your new book, Getting God's Perspective, shifts across to talking about worldviews.
So why have you made that shift to doing a book about sort of analyzing the way people think and worldviews and how people approach life?
Well, it has kind of flown from doing the ministry around sexuality and gender, and particularly the observation that as I and others have been teaching on these topics a lot, engaging with both Christians and non-Christians on them, so often the questions people raise about Christian teaching on sexuality and gender, the objections they raise, more and more I've realized so often they're not actually about sexuality and gender.
They're about much deeper level, more fundamental things about worldview things.
So, so often objections and questions, whether from Christians or non-Christians, the conversation's about sexuality and gender, but actually you realize as you have the conversation, what's really going on here is we have a fundamentally different view on something like authority or on freedom or on progress, and I think actually that's what needs to be thought about.
I think as, as many Christians who need to be equipped in their own understanding of worldviews, but also as we as Christians have a better understanding of worldviews, what they are, how they work, different worldviews around us, that I think can really help us in our conversations with other people.
Because often you're not gonna have a very productive conversation with someone who's not a follower of Jesus about sexuality or gender and Christian teaching on it, but if you can start with those topics and actually move down to a conversation about freedom, about identity, I think often you can have a much more fruitful evangelistic conversation helping people see the goodness of Christian teaching, helping people see why it could be so good for them, and exploring why it's better and why it's true.
And so it's kind of a zooming out a bit from the other things I've written, a lot of the ministry I've done.
We're seeing actually this is what needs to underpin it all, and often I think it's a bit lacking, but also I think it can really equip us as we're seeking to engage in a world where loads of people do think really differently on those topics, but actually that's because they think so differently at the deeper level of worldviews as well.
Could you, could you say a little bit more about that? So, uh, there may be some people who are thinking, uh, you did say a little bit about authority, et cetera.
Some people might say, "Actually, I don't really have a worldview or, um, or at least I'm not aware of what mine is."
Can you say something about why it's helpful just to, for us to sort of step, uh, one, one step back almost i- in those kinds of conversations we might have, particularly with non-believers?
What I think you've hit on exactly there is the fact that we all have a worldview.
So your, your worldview being your kind of, your most fundamental foundational set of beliefs, which literally forms the foundation of all your thinking and all your living.
Everything you, uh, all of how you interpret the world, how you experience the world, how you think and live in the world is shaped by that.
You're also an author, aren't you? You've put out several books and, and part of what you've written about or most of what you've written about in the past has been around sort of the, those core areas to do with Living Out of sexual ethics and gender identity, but your new book, Getting God's Perspective, shifts across to talking about worldviews.
So why have you made that shift to doing a book about sort of analyzing the way people think and worldviews and how people approach life?
Well, it has kind of flown from doing the ministry around sexuality and gender, and particularly the observation that as I and others have been teaching on these topics a lot, engaging with both Christians and non-Christians on them, so often the questions people raise about Christian teaching on sexuality and gender, the objections they raise, more and more I've realized so often they're not actually about sexuality and gender.
They're about much deeper level, more fundamental things about worldview things.
So, so often objections and questions, whether from Christians or non-Christians, the conversation's about sexuality and gender, but actually you realize as you have the conversation, what's really going on here is we have a fundamentally different view on something like authority or on freedom or on progress, and I think actually that's what needs to be thought about.
I think as, as many Christians who need to be equipped in their own understanding of worldviews, but also as we as Christians have a better understanding of worldviews, what they are, how they work, different worldviews around us, that I think can really help us in our conversations with other people.
Because often you're not gonna have a very productive conversation with someone who's not a follower of Jesus about sexuality or gender and Christian teaching on it, but if you can start with those topics and actually move down to a conversation about freedom, about identity, I think often you can have a much more fruitful evangelistic conversation helping people see the goodness of Christian teaching, helping people see why it could be so good for them, and exploring why it's better and why it's true.
And so it's kind of a zooming out a bit from the other things I've written, a lot of the ministry I've done.
We're seeing actually this is what needs to underpin it all, and often I think it's a bit lacking, but also I think it can really equip us as we're seeking to engage in a world where loads of people do think really differently on those topics, but actually that's because they think so differently at the deeper level of worldviews as well.
Could you, could you say a little bit more about that? So, uh, there may be some people who are thinking, uh, you did say a little bit about authority, et cetera.
Some people might say, "Actually, I don't really have a worldview or, um, or at least I'm not aware of what mine is."
Can you say something about why it's helpful just to, for us to sort of step, uh, one, one step back almost i- in those kinds of conversations we might have, particularly with non-believers?
What I think you've hit on exactly there is the fact that we all have a worldview.
So your, your worldview being your kind of, your most fundamental foundational set of beliefs, which literally forms the foundation of all your thinking and all your living.
Everything you, uh, all of how you interpret the world, how you experience the world, how you think and live in the world is shaped by that.
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