City Summer, Country Summer

Growing up, Kiese Laymon thought of himself as a city kid. But he spent his childhood with a foot in two worlds: his mom’s house in the capital city of Jackson, Mississippi and his grandma’s house in a rural country town. It wasn’t until Kiese left Mississippi that he came to understand that this question of city versus country actually meant a lot more. It carries a lot of baggage: the tensions between north and south, tectonic historical forces, and the contradictions of life in Mississippi. In this episode, originally published in 2025, our producer Justine Paradis sits down with writer Kiese Laymon for a conversation on this question of country versus city, what that has to do with the history of Black life in this country, and the story of Kiese’s first children’s picture book, his latest in a lifelong exploration of a complicated love of Mississippi. *Featuring* Kiese Laymon*.* Produced by Justine Paradis. For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org. **SUPPORT** *Outside/In* is made possible with listener support. Click here to join our Patreon and get ad-free episodes of the podcast.  Follow *Outside/In* on Instagram, TikTok, or join our private discussion group on Facebook. **ADDITIONAL MATERIALS** Kiese Laymon’s first children’s book, City Summer, Country Summer*.*  If you’d like to read more by Kiese, we recommend “Da Art of Storytellin’ (A Prequel)”, his essay about Outkast, his grandmother, and stank. *(Oxford American)* Kiese adapted *City Summer, Country Summer* from this 2020 prose-poem essay. *(New York Times)* Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices