Dylan McKayGuest
Martin JonesHost
When we look at human performance, it's typically physical training, it's nutrition, it's psychology, it's sleep.

It gets lobbed in somewhere, but it's rarely the core components of a lot of the programs that I've been involved in, at least.

What was it about that area of science and HP practice that really pulled you in?

And one of the pillars that kept coming up, which was part of psychology, was breathing.

One common breathing technique that's taught in tactical settings is box breathing or tactical breathing.

So there wasn't actually any empirical research behind it, which doesn't mean that it doesn't have efficacy or practical application.

But I found that pretty interesting considering it was like promulgated pretty widely.

And then you do a bit of an acid test and you say, who's using this in the unit? And when I asked a lot of individuals whether or not they were using these techniques, the answer was no.

So those two things are at odds, really, with why we're teaching something that's not being used and doesn't have the real evidence base behind it.

I almost think of it like a quest now to sort of understand what's going on and why it matters to us in these performance environments.

It wasn't until I started talking to you that I kind of stopped for a second and thought, hang on a minute.

When we look at human performance, it's typically physical training, it's nutrition, it's psychology, it's sleep.

It gets lobbed in somewhere, but it's rarely the core components of a lot of the programs that I've been involved in, at least.

What was it about that area of science and HP practice that really pulled you in?

And one of the pillars that kept coming up, which was part of psychology, was breathing.

One common breathing technique that's taught in tactical settings is box breathing or tactical breathing.

So there wasn't actually any empirical research behind it, which doesn't mean that it doesn't have efficacy or practical application.

But I found that pretty interesting considering it was like promulgated pretty widely.

And then you do a bit of an acid test and you say, who's using this in the unit? And when I asked a lot of individuals whether or not they were using these techniques, the answer was no.

So those two things are at odds, really, with why we're teaching something that's not being used and doesn't have the real evidence base behind it.

I almost think of it like a quest now to sort of understand what's going on and why it matters to us in these performance environments.

It wasn't until I started talking to you that I kind of stopped for a second and thought, hang on a minute.
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