Sep 8, 2026 · 59 min · 12 segments
What does it look like when communities become active participants in their own safety rather than waiting for someone else to protect them? In this episode, we speak with Roz Lee, Head of the U.S…
Roz LeeGuest
Michael NaglerHost
Stephanie Van HookHost
I'm really getting enthusiastic about the possibility, and this didn't dawn on me back in the earlier days, that what we're seeing here is not just a technique of intervention after something has gotten rolling, but rather in the longer, longer term, a way to reorganize the world, a way to reconceptualize how people are related to one another.

So, you know, in one way, we used to say we look forward to a day when we're not needed anymore.

But I'm actually thinking of looking forward to a day when nobody else is needed anymore.

Well, I think some of the advancements that we've had as a society, there's, you know, there are some challenges to it.

that brings people in closer proximity to each other where that was a much harder thing to do in the past.

So you can forge a relationship with somebody in South Sudan without being physically in the same place as them if you have shared interest and the desire to have that friendship.

um and i think that that's something that even before i you know before we had the kind of access that we do to social media platforms uh and the internet um that's something that i know that i always had a desire to be a global citizen somebody who was a part of something bigger than myself And now I see that being true for the generations that are following us, where they're starting from the place of they have a connection to people everywhere.

Outside of their neighborhood, not only on their block or their particular community.

And there is the real possibility, because it's actually what they're living, that many people can travel to places.

to the U.S., to New York City, which is incredibly expensive, as we know, and for their love of a sport, for their love of soccer, football, for their love of the beautiful game, right? And automatically in community with each other.

There was for folks whose countries weren't making it all the way through, there was respect.

I'm really getting enthusiastic about the possibility, and this didn't dawn on me back in the earlier days, that what we're seeing here is not just a technique of intervention after something has gotten rolling, but rather in the longer, longer term, a way to reorganize the world, a way to reconceptualize how people are related to one another.

So, you know, in one way, we used to say we look forward to a day when we're not needed anymore.

But I'm actually thinking of looking forward to a day when nobody else is needed anymore.

Well, I think some of the advancements that we've had as a society, there's, you know, there are some challenges to it.

that brings people in closer proximity to each other where that was a much harder thing to do in the past.

So you can forge a relationship with somebody in South Sudan without being physically in the same place as them if you have shared interest and the desire to have that friendship.

um and i think that that's something that even before i you know before we had the kind of access that we do to social media platforms uh and the internet um that's something that i know that i always had a desire to be a global citizen somebody who was a part of something bigger than myself And now I see that being true for the generations that are following us, where they're starting from the place of they have a connection to people everywhere.

Outside of their neighborhood, not only on their block or their particular community.

And there is the real possibility, because it's actually what they're living, that many people can travel to places.

to the U.S., to New York City, which is incredibly expensive, as we know, and for their love of a sport, for their love of soccer, football, for their love of the beautiful game, right? And automatically in community with each other.

There was for folks whose countries weren't making it all the way through, there was respect.
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