National Health Executive Podcast
Aug 10, 2026 · 34 min · 10 segments
In episode 69 of the National Health Executive Podcast, we delve into the critical topic of workforce planning within the NHS, a subject that has never been more pressing than it is today. With an…
Angus WallaceGuestBertha Benasko-AsanteGuest
Tina FitzsimmonsGuestBertha, that, you know, to me it seems like there sh- just needs to be some practical strategies.
You know, it's, uh, very easy to go, like, all these big, oh, yeah, five, 10 year plans, but sometimes it's, it's, it's a little bit simple.
It can be quite simple, couldn't it? Um, have you got any ideas for like, you know, how do we ...
Uh, are there just some practical strategies that we can implement to make it easier for the NHS?
Uh, as we look at it now, at the moment, uh, the NMC registrat- uh, register, it shows that, like, um, every one in four professional is, um, internationally recruited or educated.
You know, there are different ways that we look at it, and even the, uh, NHS, uh, workforce, like one in five is, uh, trained outside.
And, uh, I believe that we have different ways that we've been filling in the gap, like, um, apprenticeship-
Yeah
Like, where as, as a clinical practice educator, we've been filling in, um, encouraging staff to upgrade from healthcare assistant to upgrade to, uh, become registered staff, apprenticeship and the rest.
Recruitment and filling the gap, but retention is what we really, really need to pay attention to.
Culture, improving the culture and ensuring that those that we get in are, they feel safe, secured, supported to stay in.
There are different means, but I believe, I agree with Thandi that we've got some newly, um, qualified staff that are out of job, and we still have vacancies.
And I believe that staff don't come in, uh, only because, uh, they want job, but they want to feel safe and they want to feel, uh, a part of it.
You know, they want to feel part of the team to be able to deliver the quality, uh, work that they need to do.
It's crazy, isn't it? Angus, gonna bring you in here because it, it [laughs] from an outsider, from, you know, most, the common sense seems to go away when it comes, um, to [laughs] to this.
And, you know, okay, so do we need to change the way we need to look at it? Maybe make it a bit more exciting, dynamic? Do we do it enough? I don't know.
What's, what, what are your thoughts here? Because I know we've had lots of conversations about, you know, this.
Um, and do you feel that the we- they're doing enough to make sure that we've got, we're future proofing our staff for the future?

No, I think there is a lot of work to be done, Gail, and it's not minor tweaks.
Yeah.
Bertha, that, you know, to me it seems like there sh- just needs to be some practical strategies.
You know, it's, uh, very easy to go, like, all these big, oh, yeah, five, 10 year plans, but sometimes it's, it's, it's a little bit simple.
It can be quite simple, couldn't it? Um, have you got any ideas for like, you know, how do we ...
Uh, are there just some practical strategies that we can implement to make it easier for the NHS?
Uh, as we look at it now, at the moment, uh, the NMC registrat- uh, register, it shows that, like, um, every one in four professional is, um, internationally recruited or educated.
You know, there are different ways that we look at it, and even the, uh, NHS, uh, workforce, like one in five is, uh, trained outside.
And, uh, I believe that we have different ways that we've been filling in the gap, like, um, apprenticeship-
Yeah
Like, where as, as a clinical practice educator, we've been filling in, um, encouraging staff to upgrade from healthcare assistant to upgrade to, uh, become registered staff, apprenticeship and the rest.
Recruitment and filling the gap, but retention is what we really, really need to pay attention to.
Culture, improving the culture and ensuring that those that we get in are, they feel safe, secured, supported to stay in.
There are different means, but I believe, I agree with Thandi that we've got some newly, um, qualified staff that are out of job, and we still have vacancies.
And I believe that staff don't come in, uh, only because, uh, they want job, but they want to feel safe and they want to feel, uh, a part of it.
You know, they want to feel part of the team to be able to deliver the quality, uh, work that they need to do.
It's crazy, isn't it? Angus, gonna bring you in here because it, it [laughs] from an outsider, from, you know, most, the common sense seems to go away when it comes, um, to [laughs] to this.
And, you know, okay, so do we need to change the way we need to look at it? Maybe make it a bit more exciting, dynamic? Do we do it enough? I don't know.
What's, what, what are your thoughts here? Because I know we've had lots of conversations about, you know, this.
Um, and do you feel that the we- they're doing enough to make sure that we've got, we're future proofing our staff for the future?

No, I think there is a lot of work to be done, Gail, and it's not minor tweaks.
Yeah.
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