Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter
Jun 2, 2026 · 1 hr 22 min · 26 segments
On today’s Nanodosing, PFT, Arian and Big T are joined by U.S. Senator Eric Schmitt to discuss ‘The Protect College Sports Act’. The act is a bipartisan legislative blueprint, co-sponsored by the U.S. Senator Eric Schmitt, that was introduced in late May 2026 to stabilize college athletics, establish national Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) standards, and shield the NCAA from antitrust lawsuits. Plus, we discuss the NBA Finals, a new cleaning service in NYC, Myles Garrett trace and much more. Enjoy! (00:01:41) NBA Finals (00:11:21) Shift Cleaning Company (00:18:26) USMNT (00:19:34) MLB (00:27:26) Myles Garrett Trade (00:31:55) Senator Eric Schmitt You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit [barstool.link/macrodosing](https://barstool.link/macrodosing)
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Um, congratulations, by the way.
Uh, speaking of professional basketball in the NBA, congratulations to the San Antonio Spurs.
Won game seven.
I'm ex- I'm very-- I, I can't remember the last time I was this pumped up about an NBA finals series.
It might end up sucking, but I feel like this matchup is gonna be good basketball to watch.
I know, Big T, you haven't watched any of it.
I, I've watched a little of the Knicks.
Uh, I did not watch any of the Western Conference.
So you haven't seen...
You, you haven't watched Wimby play yet?
I've j- I've, I've seen clips.
You should watch Wimby play.
I will be watching the finals.
Okay.
Uh, but...
And they're, they're putting the, the trophy back on the court.
That's big for me.
Yes.
If they would put the trophy on the court the whole season, I might watch the NBA again.
You might get tricked into watching more games.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah, it's g-
I think, I think this is a testament to the power of what people can do, and social media.
Right or, right or, right or wrong, game seven, SGA ain't flopped like that.
I think, I think he heard the cries from the people, and he's starting to see the highlights, and then I think he is, man, 'cause that, that game seven, there weren't a lot of floor hits.
He played really good too.
Floor hits, there wasn't as much.
Yeah.
Bro, he's so talented.
He's so, he's so nice.
Just stop with that shit.
I hate it.
Stop that shit.
But yeah, I, I did watch the last, like, three or four games.
That was, that was a, that was a, that was a fun series to watch, and Wimby is a alien, dog.
Who do you, uh, who do you like in the finals?
Uh, I think San Antonio gonna win, but I'm pulling for the Knicks, uh, if I have to root, right? It's...
I wanna see, um, New York have a win.
You know? [laughs]
Okay.
New York, New York fans have, they've had tough going in professional sports for a while now.
So I, I wanna see them have, I wanna see them have a win.
That would be...
Uh, I'm rooting for them.
That's, um-
I think, I think basketball is better when the mecca is a contender as well.
Mm-hmm.
I'm old school basketball where, you know, Rucker Park, the mecca of, of, of, of street basketball.
Mm-hmm.
All that.
I, I, I wanna see New York have a win.
I'm all right with that.
How would, uh, how do you think the people from New York are gonna take that? Like, you patting them on their head and being like, "You know, I just wanna see these little guys get one." Poor, poor fella.
No, they big guys.
They [laughs] they the mecca.
That's what I said, they the mecca.
They, they started it.
I just wanna see them...
You know what I mean? They maybe [laughs] going through it with the Jets.
[laughs] I wanna see them get one.
I mean, to be fair, they did have a 30-year run where the Yankees won every other year, and the Giants won twice, and...
Did the Rangers win one?
Rangers haven't won since the '90s.
No, '90s.
Yeah.
Yeah.
M- you make a good point with the Giants.
I definitely forgot about the Eli days.
Uh-
They just kind of pop up and win, yeah
...
but I feel like New York is more encapsulated by the Knicks and the Yankees rather than the Giants.
But it, y- 'cause aren't the Giants at that, their stadium in Jersey, ain't it?
Yep.
Yes.
So
SoYes, yes.
J- yeah, you're right, you're right, yeah
Uh, and then-
No, no, no
...
Wemby, Wemby might be in line to have the best, like, two-month span ever, or month-long span ever.
He could theoretically win the NBA finals and then, like, a year later, or not a year, a week later, uh, sign a Supermax contract that could pay him $301 million over five years.
That would be a pretty good couple weeks.
Yeah.
Uh, but you, you should watch these finals, Big T, and just, like-
I will be watching
... take in Wemby and just be amazed by how good he is and how, like, much of a freak he is.
Now, that said, we're gonna start to hate Wemby pretty soon if he just keeps winning.
I mean, the, the Spurs are-
[laughs] That's crazy.
[laughs]
The Spurs are kind of the anti-American team.
[laughs]
They always have international-
Yeah
... stars.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, Aaron, you disagree?
[laughs] No, I, I think that's just hilarious that's where you go.
[laughs]
Oh, I've been thinking about it because-
He goes, like, he's so good-
He is
... that we're not gonna like him soon.
Well, it-
That's, that's, it's funny
... it's a combination of him being so...
And we hate, we hate anybody that's just dominant.
Um, but not only is he so good, but also, like, just him being as big as he is with, like, eight-foot wingspan, just like st- like a giant just swatting people out of the air, just blocking three-point shots from the key.
Um, that is a ki- that's the type of player that we might as, as a culture, that's gonna wear thin sooner than I think other teams would.
Like, like the, uh, the Warriors.
It took, like, four years, three years of Warriors dominance for America to be like, "Okay, we don't like you anymore." It, with Wemby, if he's just a, a human cheat code and they get two back to back, I feel like that tide is going to shift rapidly.
But listen, I love Wemby and I love how much he cares.
Like, he was crying at the end of the game.
He was so emotional, and he's, like, so invested in this team, uh, and invested in his own greatness that this is, like, exactly what you want out of a young superstar.
So I love watching him play.
I, I hope to not hate him.
I'm just thinking that, like-
[laughs]
... yeah, it could.
It, it, it will probably happen at some point.
Wemby, play out the scenario in which the tide turns for you.
We're like, "Yep, that's it.
Can't stand this guy anymore."
Okay.
Well, let's see.
It, it, they would win this one.
They would, uh, they would win NBA finals, and then over the off season they'd, like, I don't know, they'd sign some massive free agent.
Let's see what the free agents are.
Uh, let's see.
NBA 2026 free agents.
Let's see who's gonna be available out there, 'cause it's, once you start to get in the conversation of them, like, just adding super teams.
Um, hmm.
I don't know exactly.
I, I'm having a hard time reading which, w- which guys here have the player options, which guys would be true free agents at the end of this year.
What's James Harden's situation like? Can he...
Is, does he have a player option?
I have no idea.
I believe he has a player option, which-
Here are unrestricted free agents.
Okay.
LeBron James, CJ McCollum, Khris Middleton, Kristaps Porzingis-
Mm-hmm
...
Tobias Harris, John Collins, Anfernee Simons.
Okay.
And then Nikola Vučević.
I mean, if, if LeBron went to San Antonio, that'd be very funny.
[laughs]
Just dominated.
That, at, at that point we would hate Wemby instantly.
Is he gonna play again?
[laughs]
What if he just retires?
I think, the more I think about it, he'll be back.
1,000%.
With the Lakers?
Uh, maybe.
Cavs?
Maybe Cavs.
He's definitely, he's definitely gonna play another year.
Yeah, I think, I think he will too.
Then he's gonna become full-time YouTube golfer.
This is how, uh, how far I am out of the NBA.
Zach LaVine has a player option for $49 million?
That's kinda crazy.
Is that real?
That's kinda crazy.
Is he good?
Uh, yeah, he's pretty good.
He's, he's a, he's pretty good, yeah.
That's in USD?
Yeah, he's pretty good.
Pretty good player.
[laughs]
Where, what-
I, yeah, I mean, I, I'm, I'm really out of the loop
...
I'm trying to think what the NFL equivalent of Zach LaVine might be.
Um, I think it might be, like, Kenneth Walker.
No.
The Super Bowl MVP-
[laughs]
... you think is the equivalent of Zach LaVine?
Yeah, uh, well, listen, Kenneth Walker wasn't the best player on his own team.
I understand that, but-
Yeah, he had a good, he had a good game.
He's one-
Zach LaVine is capable of having amazing games.
Is Zach LaVine one of the five or six best guys at his position in the league?
Uh, that's, that's different.
That, that's what Kenneth Walker is.
I think he's probably top 10 at his position.
All right.
I mean, yeah, I, y- I don't know.
Trae Young, $49 million.
James Harden has a player option for $42 million.
Yeah.
Gonna go ahead and pick that up.
Yep.
Yep, for sure.
Um, now people don't wanna have the conversation about when Wemby was back in France, there was a player that was better than him in France for a while by the name of Alexander Sarr, Washington Wizard.
Maybe that's what we need.
Like, he's the dark star rising in the east to defeat Wemby.
Nobody beats the Wiz.
Nobody beats the Wiz.
That's right.
That's right, Mad Dog.
[laughs]
You know it.
Uh, all right.
What-
Did you see who just resigned with, uh, their former NFL team?
With their former NFL team? No.
Yeah.
A receiver.
Oh, Odell.
Yes.
Yeah.
Odell Beckham back with the Giants.
Uh, good for him.
I saw that Jalen Hyatt was trending, and I was like, "Why in the world is Jalen Hyatt trending?" And it's people saying, "Snatch his jersey number off and give it back to OBJ."
Yeah, you gotta give, you gotta give it back to OBJ.
I agree with that.
I don't know that he's...
I mean, he's coming off some injuries.
He's a little bit older.
Do you know how old he is?
Odell Beckham.
I was stunned.
Mm, 32.
I mean, like, 30, 31, 32Yeah.
That's Super Bowl champion Odell Beckham.
People forget that.
The Rams?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I think he...
Did he score a touchdown that game too? I know he got- He tore his ACL in the first half, but he was a good player for the Rams.
Some of the best hands the game has seen.
Yeah.
I just, I don't know if the, uh, if the legs are gonna be there now, but good for him.
Now we're gonna have an interview with, uh, sitting US Senator Eric Schmitt from New- uh, from Missouri in a second, and he's gonna talk to us about, uh, the new, uh, Saving College Sports Act that they're trying to pass.
This is a bipartisan bill, um, so we, we're gonna get into it, uh, in a little bit with him.
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All right, Big T, tell me about this, um, this thing that you sent over today about a new cleaning company in New York City.
Shift.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, so, uh, I think they're live in several cities, but if you want someone to come in to your home and clean it for free, they will do that.
Uh, the only catch is-
Mm-hmm
...
they wear a camera on their hat that scans your entire residence to, they claim, teach the robots how to do it.
So they say they're training, like, an army of robots-
Mm-hmm
... to do household tasks and things like that.
But if you're willing to give some company that you don't know, uh, a full scan of your apartment, they'll come clean it.
They'll clean it for free?
That's what they say.
So what, what is the company behind this that ha- Do they have the robots already?
I don't know.
Are they doing this because somebody is paying them to collect data on everybody because they've-
I think that's-
... got the robots
...
I think that's likely the case.
So Shift just might be a, a, a middleman company.
Yeah, I would be stunned if there is not a lot of money behind this from a really big company that you've heard of.
Hmm.
Here's how it works.
"Book a Shift cleaning.
A vetted Shift operator comes to your home wearing one of our devices.
They clean, they leave, you pay nothing.
In exchange, we record the cleaning.
Robotics is being built on data about how people do daily tasks, and the value of that recording is what funds the service.
Anything personal in it is anonymized before the recording is processed."
Okay, here we go.
"What happens to my data?" This is from the Shift website.
"We anonymize the footage, process it, and license it for AI and robotics training."
Mm-hmm.
So they are s- they are then selling recordings of the inside of your apartment to the highest bidder in terms of robotics or AI company.
So you don't even know where your stuff's gonna go.
Well, let me, let me play devil's advocate.
If you live in an apartment, your floor plans are probably on the website anyway, right? Or even-
Yes
...
if you live in a house.
Yeah.
Your floor plan-
You can go...
I just don't know.
I do- I mean, we, we can't even fathom what a, a scan of your house will be used for in five years.
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not saying I would do it.
I'm just saying I, I, I, I don't know that I'm that skeptical.
Like, if you, like, if you...
Like, if I put my house on sale for the market, all my rooms are scanned, pictured anyway.
Yeah, but the... you're not giving it to Anthropic.
Anthropic could get it online if they wanted to.
Yeah, I guess.
So the people that are coming to your house to clean your stuff, they don't even work for Shift.
They're independent contractors that-
So it's a DoorDash for-
Shift-
... cleaning your house.
Yeah.
Now, that's, that's wild.
There's [laughs]...
So cleaners are independent-
Israel, those are the career [laughs]
... they're independent cleaning professionals vetted by our partners.
So they're not, they're not even vetted by Shift.
They're vetted by Shift's partners.
So what does Shift do?
I don't know, but it's not good.
Shift is a technology platform that connects you with independent professionals, not a cleaning company, employer, or staffing agency.
So they have partners who then vet the cleaning volunteers, who then get paid maybe through Shift, who's being funded by AI and robotics companies to get intel about stuff that's inside people's apartments.
But you get your place cleaned for free.
[laughs]
So there's that.
Yeah, gonna be a hard pass from me, dog.
Is that worth it? You must have...
You gotta have a messy, messy house to get it cleaned for free.
Anyone that uses this should be on a list.
Uh, they will be.
Yes.
They will be on a list-
You gotta be, uh, uh-
...
but a, a publicly available list so you can know who among you-
Is dumb enough-
... is training the robots.
Yeah, who's dumb enough...
I, I could definitely see, like, a, an apartment complex advertising this as a perk.
Also-
Like, "We, we have free cleaning that'll come in"
... there's a real, uh, a, a, a lefty argument to be made that this is training to take away work of lower income individuals.
Yeah.
Well, this is exactly what I think everybody should be concerned about, which is that AI will take the place of, uh, a lot of working class jobs.
Truckers-Things like that.
Fast food.
Fast food, yeah.
It's gonna be a lot.
But I'm starting to feel like I might be vindicated that AI is not what it's been promised to be.
Uh, you saw Amazon.
They're backing off their-
Yep
... demand that everyone use AI.
Uh, was it Amazon or s- some other company that spent some untold amount of money in a month on AI because it was just running crazy doing stuff?
I forget what company that was, but they...
So the Claude licenses that kept burning through, they, they did, like, $500 million of, uh, of business, uh, kind of accidentally-
Yeah
... with Anthropic.
I'm okay with all that.
I, I do think that this is, like you saw, um, uh, Kevin O'Leary, Mr.
Wonderful, and his, uh, his data center that he's trying to open up in Utah.
Yeah.
Have you paid attention to that at all?
We talked about it on an episode of this show-
Yeah
... that you obviously listened to, so thanks for that.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, that, like, when that guy starts to get involved in stuff, I feel like it's, it might be time to look at some bubbles.
Oh, you're anti-Mr. Wonderful?
I, I think that there's some stuff that he's good at investing, and this is just clearly.
Like, he's a Canadian guy, and he's all of a sudden taking a, a giant interest in a nondescript piece of land in U- in Utah that he feels like he's entitled to.
I think that should set off alarm bells for everybody.
Yeah, I mean, people are really p- data center's the new buzzword.
Yeah.
If you say data center, people will rally behind whatever you want.
Yeah.
They don't like, they don't like that stuff.
But yeah, this particular company, um, I...
Couldn't you see, though, like, a, a apartment building saying, "We're gonna offer you, uh, free cleaning-
Yeah
... once a week"?
My piece of shit apartment building would probably do something like that.
Yeah, don't mind the cameras that they're gonna be wearing-
Yeah
...
when they go inside.
They're gonna blur your faces.
That'll, that'll all be okay.
Uh, Big T, you and I had a good sports day yesterday for a different reason.
US Men's National Team.
Looked, looked nice aside a, a couple of mistakes from guys who pr- hopefully won't be playing.
That's, that's the thing is, like, you look at the final score, 3 to 2, and you're like, "Oh, that's a close game."
Should've been 5 to 1.
Should've been 5, maybe 6 to 1, and there were some mistakes that were made by guys who will not be starting and-
Against a good team.
Yeah.
Senegal is a very good team.
Uh, some would say that they won the African Cup last year.
Other people would say that Morocco won it.
There was a big...
It was a whole big thing.
Um, but yeah, I, I thought that they looked really good.
Our offense, our attack looked cohesive.
The, uh, the midfielder's connection with the strikers, that looked dynamic.
I'm, I'm excited.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think we'll, uh, we'll find out a lot Saturday at Soldier Field against Germany.
I'm looking forward to it.
Yep.
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Uh, Aaron, what are you up to? What's going on with you these days?
Not much, man.
Uh, you guys bullied me back into watching my Brewers, and oh, what a time you did it.
We're on a little tear, right-
I'm-
...
in the best month in the, in the league.
It's every time you-
I'm telling you, dude, you might be like a-
[laughs]
... a charm of sorts.
[laughs]
I'm, I'm not saying I'm the reason.
I'm just saying when I started watching them, they had literally the best month in Major League Baseball, and Mizerowski might be one of the best pitching prospects in a long time.
He's an animal.
I saw-
He is insane right now.
It's whatever, uh, you know, all of his stats over the last six games, uh, you know, he had 57 strikeouts and on- had only allowed however many runs, whatever.
He's the only guy in the history of baseball to do that over six games.
So I got...
So m- my kid is with the other moms right now, so I, but I have my eight-year-old, and the Brewers were playing Houston this weekend, and I was like, "Baby, we're going to a game on Sunday." She's like, "Okay, cool." She's like, "Yeah, I can't wait.
It's gonna be fun, me, Daddy-daughter date at the game." So on Sunday I was finna buy the tickets, and then she goes, "Hey, Dad, um, can I have a play date with my friend?" And I was like, "Ugh." She was, like, so excited.
Loves her little friend.
I say, "Yeah, man, go ahead."
Wow.
So I just watched it at the...
And Mizerowski was on the mound.
Oh.
That's, that's...
Yeah, I was, I was, I was upset, but that's my baby girl, man.
Like, she was like, "Please." They wanted to have a swim date and all that.
I was like, "All right.
Go ahead, man.
It's all good."
You know what? I think the fact that the Brewers even, uh, put, put a moment of hesitation in your mind with your child shows that you really-
[laughs]
... you're really bought in.
I am, I am, 'cause I definitely thought about saying, "Girl, you crazy as hell.
The Miz is pitching." But nah, it's, I was like, "All right, you got it, man." Just watched it at the crib.
Had a little drink.
It was fine.
It was cool.
But yeah, I'm, I'm back, I'm back locked in, watching my, watching my dogs get down.
That's it.
Mizerowski's the third pitcher ever to have a six-start span featuring 50 or more strikeouts and one or zero runs allowed.
PFT, the other two were in '21 and '18.
Do you have a guess?
Hmm.
'21, I think that season there's one guy that stands out.
Who's cuz for the, uh, Dodgers?
Ohtani?No, the other dude
Yamamoto, uh-
No, not Yamamoto
Clayton Kershaw?
Like the-
K-Kershaw?
Clayton Kershaw?
Kershaw.
Yeah, Kershaw.
No, but one of these guys is a lefty who's fairly similar to him-
Verlander?
...
in many ways.
Not left-handed.
Um, Greinke.
I'd say currently the second best lefty in the game still.
Shit.
Um.
Maybe first.
You can make an argument he's the best.
Who would the best lefty be?
I watch him a lot.
Just tell me.
Chris Sale.
Okay.
And the other one in '21 was Jacob deGrom.
Okay.
Yeah.
He was pretty much unhittable-
Yeah
...
when he was dialed in.
And he's, they wouldn't win games.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They'd-
They'd lose one-nothing
... yeah, we'd get two runs-
Yeah
... of support, yeah.
Um, deGrom's still playing, right?
Yeah, he's on the Rangers.
Rangers? Is he, is he pitching this year? I haven't heard much about him.
I think he has been this year.
I think he's been solid.
Yeah, he has a, uh, he's pitched 59 innings this year with a .377 ERA.
So-
Good for him
... fine.
Good for him.
I'm just glad that he's healthy.
He, he might be the all-time what if guy.
Like, if he had stayed healthy, he would've been a dominant pitcher like no other.
Trout?
Would, if he played on like a, a better team?
No, I mean, he's hurt all the time.
Yeah, I mean, he's still gonna have a great career.
Yeah, he'll be a Hall of Famer.
He's, he's playing good this year.
Yeah.
Trout is, uh, how many home runs does he have? Like, I'm gonna guess 16?
I think 13 or 14.
13.
Yeah, he's, so he's not bad.
Not a bad start to the year.
Could be a big trade piece if, if they'd wanna get rid of him.
I, I don't think he wants to go anywhere.
I think he's completely happy.
Imagine if the Braves got Mike Trout at the deadline.
That would be great.
No, I'm just thinking about the Frank meltdown.
They'd be cr- oh.
Yeah.
[laughs]
Oh.
Yeah.
I would attempt it, but, I mean, nothing could compare to-
[laughs]
... to what that would do.
Do you think it would be a bigger meltdown if he signed with the Braves or if he signed with the Dodgers?
Braves.
Yeah?
'Cause Fra- I don't think he hates the Dodgers more than anyone el- 'cause they're just good.
I think he-
He hates the Braves
...
I think he hates LA winning championships.
Yeah, but I think the Braves would cut deep.
That would cut really deep.
That'd be incredible.
Just imagine-
Or Yordan Alvarez.
I'd take Yordan.
Yordan, you think he's gonna be moved?
If they were smart.
Yeah.
They need to tear it down.
They do.
It's, it's, it's about time.
They hung on, hung on for about two years too long.
Well, they were still good a couple years ago, but.
Yeah.
Could be a fun trade deadline.
And might not be any baseball next year.
Everybody's gonna sell out, go all out to win this one.
That's true.
W- this might be the last season ever of baseball.
Yeah.
You know, why don't, why don't the Nats make a little move? Nats-
Could use about five pitchers
...
Nats, yeah, complete overhaul of the, uh, the rotation.
Just trade out the starting rotation.
Uh, you can keep doing...
W- we're doing a lot of the opener thing.
Like, not just for, you know, a lot of teams do bullpen days.
Um, but the Nats, we've, we've gone to an opener a few times, uh, where you just have one guy, like, pitch the first inning.
Another guy pitch the second inning.
I have a proposal for you.
Yeah.
I'd do CJ Abrams for Spencer Schwellenbach.
Tell me about, about Spencer.
Uh, he's hurt right now, but he's an animal.
He'll be back this season.
How old is he?
Like, 23 or 24.
Okay.
What position does he play?
He's a starter.
He had a .309 ERA last year, .97-
Oh, he's a pitcher
...
WHIP.
Yeah.
Okay.
He's a beast.
Uh, consider it.
I'll consider it.
CJ Abrams is gonna be a great piece.
Everybody should want CJ Abrams.
Or I'd do Chris Sale and Didier Fuentes for James Wood and CJ Abrams.
No deal.
No deal.
You need pitchers.
How old is Chris Sale?
30-
Yeah, too old
... 7?
Yeah, see, no, absolutely not.
It's funny when you-
Didier Fuentes is 20.
Yeah, he's 37.
Okay, James Wood and CJ Abrams are both what, 23?
Yeah, they're demons.
And-
But you need some pitching
... they're gonna be great for the next, like, 15 years.
But then you'd need offense.
We will need offense if we traded those two guys, although the rest of the lineup's pretty good, too.
It, I'm just gonna become a full-time genealogist in terms of the, uh, Juan Soto trade and, like, following everywhere that that trade has led for us, because in that trade, not only did we get, we got Wood, we got Abrams, we got McKinstry-
McKinstry
...
McKinstry, who then we, we then traded to the Rangers, and so we got more prospects back for him.
Now, if we traded CJ Abrams and got a bunch of prospects for him, like, we could be, like, he would be the, Juan Soto would be the Genghis Khan of the Washington Nationals in about five years, where, like, everybody on the team you could trade, you could trace back to that one trade.
Yeah.
What a terrible trade by the Padres, by the way.
Didn't work out.
They rented Juan Soto for, like, four months.
Happens.
Bad.
The, the Braves did that when I was a kid, uh, got Mark Teixeira for three months for, uh, Elvis Andrus.
Do you remember Neftalí Feliz?
Yep.
The awesome closer that the, the Rangers had?
Sure do.
And I think somebody else that was solid.
And my mistake, it, they, they got Juan Soto for longer than that.
I forgot that they had, they had a year and, they had a full season-
That makes more sense
... and a half season, but still, didn't do shit with him.
The point-
Mark Teixeira, brought up later in this episode, by the way.
Yeah, that's true.
The point stands, um, that at the time I, I hated getting rid of Juan Soto, but that's about as good of a, a return as you can get for that guy.
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Um, speaking of tradesUh, Adam Schefter has reported that the Browns are trading Myles Garrett.
Whoa.
What?
I'm gonna cry.
For who? Or they're just-
An ex-
... they're just open for business.
Oh my God.
No.
Oh my God.
The, the Browns are finalizing a trade that will send two-time Defensive Player of the Year, Myles Garrett, to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for Jared Verse.
Oh, shit.
A 2027 first-round pick and other draft pick compensation still-
Oh, that's actually a great trade
... being negotiated between teams.
Who's Jared Verse?
He's a beast.
He's a, he's a really good player.
Myles Garrett's a beast.
Yeah.
Right, so you got a slightly less good version of Myles Garrett and a first-round pick and other picks? That's a great trade.
And, and Jared Verse is also, he's very young.
I'm sad.
That's actually, uh, Br- Browns win the trade, I'm declaring it right now.
Jared Verse, born in Dayton, Ohio.
Oh.
So local.
That's so sad.
[singing]
[laughs]
No, that's a great trade.
He's 25.
He's 25.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I would've taken Byron Young over Jared Verse, but to each their own.
[laughs]
I mean, it's, you know what's crazy about this? Is that nobody talked about it.
It just happened?
It just happened.
Like, usually with something like this, you would find out that they're shopping him or that he's requested a trade.
Well-
Teams are calling around
... like with last year, yeah.
[laughs]
Yeah.
But I mean, this time it's like complete silence.
By the way, credit, journalism, still alive and well.
Uh, Adam Schefter reports the trade per Rap Sheet, Tom Pelissero, and me.
Yeah.
So triple credit on that.
Right.
And you rarely see, it's the rare Schefter-
[laughs]
...
Rapoport, let's respect each other's game, we both had this.
Right.
[laughs]
The, the bandanas tied together there.
Yeah, that's, I was actually just-
Oh, really?
I was posting that, yeah.
Great minds.
Great minds.
Just makes me sad.
I don't want him to leave.
Like, he is such a, a bright light in a sea of darkness of that organization.
Imagine you're Jared Verse, you get drafted by the LA Rams.
You have a great first couple seasons, you're living in LA, and then they're like, "Get ready to learn Cleveland, buddy."
Get ready to learn, yeah.
[laughs]
Yeah.
See ya.
[laughs]
Get ready to learn Brook Park, Ohio, buddy.
Yeah, I mean, there are nice things in Cleve- he'll have a nicer house, I'm sure.
A really big house.
Better tax situation.
Better taxes.
Mm-hmm.
Um, he'll have a new dome if he stays for a while.
That's true.
He, and you know, that, that means a lot to players.
Right.
It's like, "I can't wait for the new stadium."
The new dome.
Um-
So I'll take, I'll take a discount.
What else? What else is good about Cleveland? There's, uh, I guess compared to LA they have the ocean.
Mm.
Mm.
You were gonna hype up the lake.
I was gonna hype up the lake.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
The people.
Great people.
Yeah.
What's the best restaurant in Cleveland?
Uh, there are, Cleveland has a very good food scene.
Very, very good.
A lot of people go to Marble Room.
A lot of professional athletes go to Marble Room.
It's a steakhouse.
Um, that's really nice.
Um, there's a lot of nice restaurants downtown.
Um, very, very robust food scene.
Uh, the taxes, yeah, taxes, a lot of taxes.
A lot of taxes.
A lot less taxes than LA.
I don't know.
I'm sad.
Myles Garrett.
That's just crazy.
I-
Didn't he want to go to the Rams last year, or am I making that up?
I think he wanted to, he wanted-
Right
... to explore options about being traded, but then they gave him a shitload of money.
Well, he requested a trade, and then they gave him a shitload of money.
Yeah, and then he was like, "I'm fine with not being traded because-
[laughs]
... that's a lot of money, thank you."
[laughs] Yeah.
Damn, that sucks.
I hope Jared Verse is good, I guess.
He is.
Okay.
Wait, are they the same position?
Um, yeah, pretty much.
Like they play defensive line, defensive end.
Okay.
Jared Verse is a really, really good player.
You should be ha- like, you have a, an awesome young defense.
How old is Myles Garrett now?
Uh, I think he was g- he was drafted in 2018, so I believe he is, like, 29 or 30.
I believe he's 29.
See, if you were to ask-
Oh, he's thir- he just turned 30.
Just turned 30.
Okay, so, I mean, that's, yeah, I, it might be a, a win-win.
But-
Like- Yeah, he was a, he was a hot transfer coming out.
[laughs] That's wild.
Tennessee thought they were gonna get him for a minute, went to Florida State.
Mm.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Wow.
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Okay, welcome back to Macro Dosing.
We welcome on a very special guest.
It is Senator Eric SchmittUnited States Senator from Missouri.
He's been working on some issues, uh, regarding college sports and, and some other initiatives recently.
Um, I've been paying attention to the, the, the new wave of legislation that's coming into play, uh, regarding college sports.
Um, but maybe some people out there haven't followed it as closely as, as we have.
So let's start at the beginning here, Senator, and thank you for your time.
Um, what is the reason that the federal government is getting involved in college sports in the first place?

It's a good question.

Um, and if you would've asked me that question a couple years ago, I would've been very, very skeptical of what the federal government's role in all this is.

But the truth is, through about the last decade, um, by way of litigation, the NCAA or any governing body for that matter, has essentially been neutered to enforce any rules.

It's why you see, like, a guy getting his seventh year of eligibility or somebody going to the G League and coming back.

There's just no, there are no rules anymore.

And, um, I think the pendulum for a long time was swung in the wrong direction.

I mean, student athletes, that's what the whole name, image, and, and, uh, likeness lawsuit stuff was all about, which was, you know, a guy's...

You got his name on the back of the jersey and his likeness on an EA, you know, game and he, he gets like a, you know, a PlayStation or something for it.

These guys should be compensated for that.

I don't have any problem with players getting paid.

Um, but now we just, it's sort of the Wild West.

And so Congress is the only entity on the planet that can grant antitrust protection to the NCAA or some other governing body to set rules and to enforce the rules, right? So you have kinda two buckets that are part of the legislation that we're trying to essentially grant authority to, to, to, to address it, because I don't think if, if, if you and I are on this show two years from now, I just think the landscape's gonna be dramatically different, right? You're already seeing schools cut a lot of the non-revenue Olympic sports, women's sports.

That trend is gonna continue because the, um, the business model for college athletics was always you...

College football was the cash cow, right? And it effectively subsidized all the other sports, all the non-revenue sports, except for basketball, which can be break even or make a little bit of money.

But like, even baseball or women's softball or swimming, whatever, they don't make money for the university.

So football did it.

So what happens when you start losing money on your college football program like a Rutgers or Penn State, or what happens when all of the resources are going to that and you don't have anything left over? So what the legislation, what we're trying to do is to say that think of the one bucket is the governance piece.

To grant antitrust protection, lawsuit, you know, protection for the NCAA or another body to say, "You got five years of eligibility.

Uh, you can transfer, but you can transfer one time." Um, these agents, so-called agents that have entered the fray, there's a lot of nefarious actors in here taking advantage of these young men and women, uh, that there has to be some standard for that.

And then on the revenue side, one of the things that, um, I, I don't think people realize is that in 1961, Congress granted the NFL, the NBA, the, the, uh, Major League Baseball antitrust protection to pool their negotiating rights to rights holders.

So think of it this way, like if the, uh, think if the, if the NFC East were negotiating its own TV deal and the AFC West was negotiating their own TV deal, you wouldn't maximize the revenue opportunities.

The NFL gets to do it.

Now, in a normal marketplace, that would be collusion.

But Congress said, "No, you can go do that as a league." So one of the things we're trying to do here is to say college football can collectively negotiate with rights holders to generate more revenue to protect these other sports, right? So the NBA has half the audience of college football and twice the revenue.

They're eight billion all in.

College football is four billion all in.

So if you just conservatively did the math, in college football, it'd be voluntary for the conferences if they negotiated, it's 8 to 10 to $12 billion, potentially, that could then protect a lot of these sports.

So you got the governance piece.

You've got the, um, the revenue piece.

But ultimately, Congress is the only entity that can save college sports here, and then, you know, a- and I think what we do or don't do will affect the trajectory of college athletics for the next 50 years.
Okay, so if, if we look, like, 10 years down the line, what i- what is the main problem that we're looking to solve by, by, uh, giving college sports an antitrust exemption?

So right now, um, you really don't have any rules on eligibility.

Um, like how long.

And, and think about that bottleneck that it creates for an 18-year-old coming out of high school, right? You're just not gonna, you're not, you don't have the same opportunities as, as somebody who's 25 or 24 on a roster now-
Yeah

...

in their seventh year of eligibility.

So you would kinda get back to a, what people sort of have always thought was the, the window by which people can compete in college athletics.

Um, [clears throat] you would end, you know, I'm a, I'm a big SEC guy, Mizzou, uh, whatever.

I love college football, but you talk to any of these coaches, they effectively have these, these players for six months maybe.
Mm-hmm.

Maybe they have them for six months, and it's just a constant trans- We got people transferring five, six times.

And I don't think that's a healthy scenario.

Again, I think these guys should get paid.

They should have a couple of windows when they're coming out, and then another time to be able to transfer, or maybe it's two transfers.

Whatever the, you can have a reasonable debate on that.

But you would get rid of this never-ending portal that has really caused, you know, I think, a lot of chaos.

And then on the revenue side, just think if you had a unified rights deal.

The scheduling for the fan would be optimized.

You know, I think you look at, like, the Labor Day weekend, which is typically the kinda opening weekend of football.

If you've got two top 25 teams playing one another, that, the ratings of that are five times higher than when Mizzou's playing Arkansas Pine Bluff in that first game.

So you would optimize a schedule.

I think for fans it would be a much more attractive option, so I think that's the upside.

The downside is-... 10 years from now, if we don't do it, I think you're gonna have people that just won't have football teams altogether.

If they do, to comply with Title IX, maybe they have a football team and, like, a gymnastics team and that's it.

Then all these other sports are club sports.

There's no scholarships.

Um, we s- we start to fall back in Olympic competition.

Um, you don't have the same opportunities for people to become leaders.

Most, most people who participate in college athletics, I did, they, they don't, they don't go pro, right? But they become leaders.

You learn valuable lessons about showing up on time, and commitment, and competition, and winning and losing, all those sorts of things.

So anyway, I think there's a lot on the line, but we are at an inflection point.

I, like I said, I wouldn't have said that a couple years ago, but the trajectory of this is, um, kinda wild.
Okay.
All right.
So-
We see.
Yeah, so you mentioned, uh, the, the pooling the rights and stuff and how this should bring more revenue, and I guess, uh, there, there's a hard salary cap in this bill, right?

Well, currently under the House settlement, so the litigation that kinda brought us to all this point, there was a settlement, and that number for all sports is t- $20.5 million a year, okay, for every university.

But then you have these collectives that are on the outside.

So you, you ask how can LSU have a $45 million football roster? And the answer is, uh, these collectives are kind of an end around around what you're supposed to be able to spend for all of your sports.

And so this would codify that, but also provide some real teeth if, if there are just some bogus NIL deals that are out there.

You know what I mean? Like, you get $5 million for showing up at the car dealership one time, you know, kinda the end around.

So it doesn't necessarily set a cap because the collectives still exist, and that's, you know, you could debate whether collectives are a good idea or not, but that cap, yes, that from the House settlement is codified, and then it goes up, I think it's 4% every year.

That's the way it's structured in the legislation.
Okay.
I guess I, I was just gonna ask if, you know, especially if revenue is supposed to increase, like, do you want a salary cap, like Congress getting involved in a private labor market and then setting a salary cap of sorts, however that's, you know, determined?

One alternative, you know, sort of one alternative to what...

So there isn't a real hard cap now because you still have the collectives that exist, right?
Yeah.

Um, one thing you could do is you could say the collectives go away, and you have a cap that's, that's much higher than 20.5. That's another way to go about it.

And, uh, and I'm sure that actually we'll probably have that debate, uh, in Congress.

So there's a hearing for the first time on this bill Wednesday, and then the Commerce Committee that I'm on, Senator Cruz, Senator Cantwell are on, there'll be a lot of negotiation here.

And, uh, it's the first bipartisan bill that's been offered 'cause it's a thorny issue.

Um, but the good news is I don't think it breaks down by, like, partisan breakdown.

Um, a lot of things in Congress are like red jersey, blue jersey.

This isn't one of them, um, which is a good thing.

It's more regional, people who are interested in it, and they wanna preserve college athletics.

I think so much attention is on football, and rightfully so, because it generates so, so much revenue, but there's a lot of other things at stake, like I said, the non-revenue sports.
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So where, where does this, uh, where does this affect the student athletes? Or I don't know if they're gonna be designated as employees after this passes, but, um, their right to collectively bargain as their side of the table, where would that progress?

Yeah.

So the, the athletes are front and center.

It's, it's like, for example, one of the things that, um, I didn't mention on the governance piece is to make sure that the student athletes have protections that are in the House settlement and beyond, right? Like, uh, making sure they have healthcare, making sure that that extends beyond their, their, their time in college, making sure they have scholarship protection because of injury, making sure that their ability to get paid outside of a scholarship is still preserved.

And so you don't have a true, because they're not technically employees, you don't have a true, like, kinda collective bargaining deal here.

Um, but what we're trying to do is in that settlement from all the litigation, the parties were represented, so we're trying to kinda plug in as much of that stuff legislatively now so that the athletes are, have representation here, that their interests are being recognized.

Because look, as a senator from Missouri, I represent everybody.

Whether they voted for me or not, I represent everybody, including not just member institutions, but the athletes, the Missourians who are gonna be participating, and seeing those opportunities that they get from having a scholarship and also being able to make some money, uh, because of their performance.

And so that is very important, and we try to, we try to get at that in the legislation, too.
As a, uh, as a fan of college sports, college football in particular, um, the, my, my pause from this, and I ask that question, uh, knowing that how, how, uh, litigious this whole thing can become if it's not-

Yeah
... set up correctly.
Like, you know probably better than I do.
But if it's set up from a standpoint of, like, we're bringing all parties to the table as we draft the bill, and we take your concerns in as we're writing it, to me, that s- almost seems like if there's no, uh, right to collectively bargain on the players' side, then just a couple years from now it's gonna be tied up in court because they're gonna be arguing that certain provisions aren't legal or, or don't apply to everybody in a certain way.
And that, that's where my concern would come in, if they, if you don't expressly grant them the right to collectively bargain.
So what was that conversation like as you guys were drafting this bill? Were there people that were kind of echoing that same sentiment? How did you reach that compromise?

Yeah, no, it's tricky because think of it this way.

Um, if, if they were for sure designated as employees, you know, um, you've got beyond just-'Cause again, I think a lot of our, our focus is on, um, the schools that are featured, uh, the 2:00 window on Saturdays, right? But there's a lot of schools that aren't competing at that level, including Division II programs, that they just, they would, they would stop offering, um, any kind of sport altogether, right? So you're trying to balance the high-profile programs that generate a ton of money, lower profile Division I schools that just, they're never...

For example, that 20.5 million number we talked about.
Mm.

They're never gonna get close to that.

You know what I mean? They're never gonna be able to compete.

And then effectively they just kind of go away.

So there's this ultimate balancing act between the conferences and the schools and the athletes, the big schools, the small schools.

It's not an easy deal to try to get to a place where you feel like all that's represented.

We're try- I'm, I know I am, I can speak for myself, trying to do that.

Um, and the last thing you wanna do is create a scenario that falls apart down the road, which is why that antitrust lawsuit protection is so central here.

Because effectively if we move forward with this, it will likely survive.

I mean, there's going to be challenges, but it will likely survive judicial scrutiny because that's how it works with the professional sports.

We granted them collective, or a, the, um, [lip smack] um, antitrust protection-
Mm

... to sort of set the rules.

It's a different scenario because it's professional, not collegiate.

So it's a good point.

We're trying to balance all of that.

And, uh, but effectively right now, if you, if you don't do this, I just think the downside is pretty dramatic in the next couple of years.

It just won't...

You hear these guys like Cignetti and others talk about it.

Even the s- you know, the institution that won the national championship, they know it's not sustainable.

It's just not to, the, the current path that we're on.

And so we're just trying to provide some rules and then, you know, let people compete and, and do well or not do well in the new environment.
Mm-hmm.
So I totally agree.
I mean, we'd, we've talked about on this show before, there's all sorts of stuff with college football and basketball that are insane.
I just...
So, so explain to me, so the NCAA would be getting an antitrust exemption, but it also kind of feels like Congress stepping in is k- like what is overstepping the NCAA and saying, "Listen, you can't enforce your own stuff properly.
We need to do it." But then you'd also be handing them an antitrust exemption.
I guess I just, what is the point of the NCAA at that juncture?

Well, no, they would be, they would be granted the, um, the antitrust protection to enforce the rules.

So once Congress passes the law, it's effectively out of it.

It's saying, "You're a governing body now that has the ability to enforce the rules," right? You can enforce the one-time transfer, you can enforce the five years of eligibility.

If a player's getting ripped off by an agent, you have the ability to sort of sanction those a- you know.

So one, we have to do it initially and create the, the framework by which the NCAA, which by the way, has had its own problems, I mean, that's not lost on me.

But there has to be some governing body that does it.
Mm-hmm.

And the NCAA is, is l- just likely the, the one that does it, and then they can enforce the rules.
Okay.

Um, so right now, if the NCAA goes to court to enforce an eligibility concern in the State of Mississippi or the State of Pennsylvania, they lose.

Because they have, the courts are saying, "You don't have the ability to enforce it.

You have no legal standing to go do that anymore." And what we would be doing is saying, "Yes, you do now," to enforce these rules.
So then what would happen if the SEC or Big Ten or both broke away from the NCAA and formed something else?

[inhales] Yeah, so we have to address that.

And the NCAA's ultimately...

I mean, look, I think that discussion, and I've talked to Greg Sankey and Petitti a lot about this, um, I think they're talking about doing that if Congress doesn't step in.

I mean, they want a governing body for all of college football.

Um, but if we don't do this, what they're saying is, "This chaos has to be calmed somewhere and by somebody, and we'll just try to do it ourselves." And so I think that's kind of the, like the plan B that they would say.

Now, I don't know that they could pull that off, uh, 'cause they'll have the same issues legally.

It'd be, it'd be a voluntary agreement among the S- SEC institutions, right? To say, "Here's our eligibility standards.

Here's our transfer standards." Um, [lip smack] but ultimately, if somebody wanted to challenge that, they probably could.

So again, you kinda get back to this place where the only entity on the planet that can do it is Congress.

Um, and I don't, I mean, you know, it, it, Congress...

Most people are won- would wonder why Congress would get involved here.

And like I said, I was skeptical, too.

But the truth is it's the only, we're the only ones who can grant this antitrust protection to some entity, and that entity happens to be the NCAA.
Okay.
And tell me about the, uh, the Lane Kiffin Rule.

Yeah.

[laughs] So the Lane Kiffin Rule is to kind of prevent the scenario that we saw play out, right? Which is before the season has ended, you have this coaching change.

I mean, literally you had before the playoff, these guys could've won the national championship, and you have a coach leave, taking his staff.

It just was chaotic.

So it would just say that you can't have a scenario like that before the season ends, and then the ending date for the season, I think, is designated as January 8th.

Um, so it'd be much like the NFL at that point, where ev- everybody's, you know, they can move, but they gotta wait till the season is over with before you have that kinda change at the top.
Right.
I think that, that to me was more about the, the college football calendar with the transfer portal being what it is.
It's like it, it-

Yeah
...
it put every coach, I think, in a position where if they wanted to take a different job, um, they had to make a tough decision, which is pretty much what-

Yeah.

No, you're right.

The calendar, the calendar's a real issue.

I mean, if you were to really set this thing up, what you'd wanna do is have a calendar that kind of mirrors what the NFL has to some degree, right?
Yeah.

And so it's an acknowledgement that, "Hey-"These academic calendars sometimes don't line up-
Yeah

... with the football calendar and when coaches can go when the portal opens.

And so I think this provides a little bit more clarity there.
You make an interesting point, and it kind of leads me to this thing.
I- I've always thought this, and I think most people that watch college sports have at one point considered this.
Um, the, the marriage of a institute of higher learning to a local sports team that people pay money for and operates essentially as a business.
Like, the, the fact that we have the, the universities themselves that are also running sports teams out there, why is that...
I- if it seems like it's not a viable business model anymore, once you, you know, once the players have, uh, the right to be paid, uh, and compensated for their name, image, likeness.
It seems like if it's unsustainable, that to me speaks to the fact that maybe it's just not a good business model for schools to be running athletic programs.
Is that a, a, a thought that you've had, like maybe we just let them sink or maybe they just completely separate the athletic program from the schools, and playing basketball at a certain, for a certain organization has nothing to do with attending classes at that same institution?

Yeah.

I think, um...

Look, I, I, uh, the reason why I'm glad to come on your show is, like, I am much more comf- to me, I'm much more comfortable talking about this stuff than some of the other stuff that I do.
Yeah.

It's a lot more [laughs] interesting and, like, growing up you're just at a bar, like, talking about this stuff because it's cultural.

People care about it.

There's a real connection they have with the teams that they root for or even, you know, if they've got some other rooting interest.

Um, it's become a massive business, especially college football.

I mean, it's the n- it's the number two of all the sports, the second most eyeballs second only to the NFL.

And so that's kind of an undeniable truth on one hand.

On the other hand, it is connected to a, to an institute of higher learning where is that the mission is to educate students.

And so unlike the professional leagues, you do have to acknowledge that you're trying to marry both of those things.

It feels a lot like now, at, at some level it's more of like a semi-pro l-
Right

... and again, we're mostly talking about football here and, and to some degree college basketball, but kind of a semi-pro situation.

Um, but i- i- it isn't.

Like, it isn't.

It's still, you're still dealing with universities.

And so again, you're trying to balance a v- a different scenario, and I think it's changed.

You look at now the skyrocketing r- uh, deals that these conferences are gonna...

I mean, when the SEC goes to market in a c- few years, I think their deal expires in 2031, when they renegotiate that, I mean, they're gonna blow the doors off, right? They're gonna blow the doors off, and the payout for, uh, an SEC school right now is about 70 million bucks, you know?
Mm-hmm.

And, um, and you think about some of the, the reasons why you've had this crazy conference realignment, especially as it relates to kind of the Big Ten and what happened to the, the Pac-12 and everything, is this.

They're chasing with this kind of broken model.

They're chasing a footprint that might generate more revenue, you know?
Yeah.

And this, this whole, like, cross-country flight for a softball team in the middle of the week, it is what it is.

It certainly isn't, like, beneficial necessarily I don't think for the student athlete.

But, but to your point, I do think even with what we do here, you're still gonna have a situation where, um, some schools are gonna have to decide whether or not they're gonna compete at that level or not.

But one thing I think that should be kind of an operating principle is that we should do everything we can to protect the Olympic sports, the women's sports, that broad offering that an institution has, you know?
Mm-hmm.

I think we do wanna protect that for a variety of reasons, and college football is the way you subsidize all of it.

So a lot of this is aimed at how do you deal with the college football dynamic because you're trying to protect a lot of the other sports that are out there.
All right.
That's, um, that's like an insane framing to me coming from, like, a senator.
Like, you're asking a football...
You're asking young athletes to subsidize other people for the labor that they're producing.
That's, that's, that's what I, I, I guess I'm, I'm mis- I'm missing in this entire thing is, is other than it, it, it doesn't feel right.
I don't, I'm not understanding the, the grounds for wanting to not pay athletes real fair wages for their labor.

No, no, I'm fine with that.

I, I think I led...

Like, I don't, I don't have any problem with, with, uh, the going rate for an SEC corner being $250,000.

I mean, I, if that's what the market is, that is what the market is.

I, I don't have any problem with players.

I'm not one of these guys that wants to go back to 1986 in a model that really I think was exploited the student athletes where they weren't gonna get paid.

But you do have to acknowledge even in that old model, in the new model now, the idea that a university wants to have all these other sports, it has always been subsidized by college football.

That's just the truth, right? And-
Yeah, that, that's what I'm saying.
Except for now-

Yeah
... now- nowadays at least cats can get money for their name and likeness, right?

Yeah, for sure.
It's-

And that's not going away.

That's not going away.
That's, that, that's fine.
But what I'm s- but what I'm saying is w- w- why, why o- other than...
That's what...
My, my main question is other than it doesn't feel right, w- what is the, what is the grounds for interrupting a free market?

Well, we're not.

We're saying that-
Coming, coming from a conservative thinking.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, we're not.

We're saying that, um, under the current s- so the house settlement which r- which resolved a lot of this litigation said that the, the revenue sharing payout of what, you know, you could spend is $20.5 million.

Then you have the collectives.

That's actually not being disrupted, um, at all.

I think what you're tr- what we're saying is that the, the model that, that you can transfer every year or that you can spend seven years in c- you know, in college and take those...

Again, so it depends on who you're talking about.

Is that better for the 25-year-old? Maybe.

Is that good for the 18-year-old?Who wants an opportunity? No.

Right? So you're trying to find this balance.

But I don't have any problem with these, with, with student athletes getting paid, especially the football guys, 'cause they're generating the revenue.

But there is another, but there is another interest here, which is there are a lot of other sports that just have never generated revenue, and they would all go away.

I don't think that's a good outcome either.

I don't know if you agree with that, but I don't think that's a good outcome.
I-

That you wouldn't have a college baseball team, you wouldn't have a gymnastics team, and that's, that's where we're headed, so.
Yeah, no, it's, it's not that I, that I, that I don't think college sports are, are, are good.
But I, I, I'm just trying to find the logic here of you're, you're asking for subsidies from a, a major revenue share f- from, from kids that aren't getting that share from their labor.
And I, like, just logically it doesn't follow in my head.
I don't, I don't understand it, other than it don't feel right.
I grew up with college sports, and this is what I feel it should happen.
Like you mentioned earlier, um, uh, about the, uh, the antitrust stuff, uh, and you're talking about the NFL, and you say, "But, but it's different because it's collegiate." But why is it different? Like, the definition of a professionally paid athlete is an athlete that gets paid for, for his, uh, for his labor on, on the field or court or wherever it is.
So college athletes are professionals.
They always have been, right? It's just now they're just getting paid for their labor.
So a- again, I, I, I'm, I'm just failing to see the...
Other than the nostalgia of college sports, what is the grounds for-

Well, let's play, let's play, let's play it out.

Let's play it out.

So let's say we don't do anything, and five years down the road, half of the Division I schools that currently have football programs don't have football programs anymore, right? 'Cause they can't, they can't compete.

So for the players that are coming out of high school, not only are they competing against 25-year-olds on half the program.

So th- that's what I'm saying, is that I don't have a problem with people getting paid.

But it, under the current system that exists right now, you're gonna have fewer opportunities for student athletes, including football players, right?
Mm-hmm.

So, uh, it's just sort of an acknowledgement of the chaos that exists right now with kinda unlimited transfers, seven years of eligibility.

Right now you could go as, as a, as a, as a basketball player, you could go into the G League [coughs] you know, not do well or whatever, and come back.

Like, is that a good scenario? I don't, I don't think that that is kinda what we're getting at here, but I think, you know, some people might argue that.

But right now, no one can say no, right? No one can have any standard by which that can be enforced.

And so I just think in a perfect world, if you're saying every current football team could pay as much as the market would bear or whatever for every single player, um, what's gonna ha- If you could sustain that, maybe, right? Like, if you could sustain that, again, I don't have a problem with a, a, a quarterback on a national championship team going out and getting his money.

Um, but the truth is, over time, you're gonna have fewer and fewer schools that can have college football teams 'cause they're just...

They can't compete.

They're not...

They lose money, right?
Mm.

Like Rutgers lost, like, tens of millions of dollars, and how long can Rutgers have a football team? So eventually you start squeezing out, um, a lot of guys who would have the chance to play college football.

And not everybody's gonna go pro, right? And so they would have a, they would have a scholarship, they get paid, they get a degree.

That's a good thing.

Um, and we wanna preserve that for as many athletes as possible.
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M- maybe I missed this when you brought it up earlier, but is there something in the bill that legally prevents the SEC and the Big Ten from joining forces? Like, it says this cannot happen?

Yeah, so there's a provision in there, um, that, you know, Senator Cruz and Senator Cantwell have talked about as far as it prevents this super league.
Okay.

Right? It prevents the SEC and the Big Ten, which by the way, they don't wanna do [laughs] but it, it does prohibit this super league.

The thinking is that if you had the super league, it, it sort of exacerbates, you know, some of the issues.

You'd have a, what, a 35-team league w- the combination of the Big Ten, uh, and the SEC.

So, um, I don't, I mean, I probably, maybe don't feel as strongly about that particular provision, only because I just know the SEC isn't really interested in that.

But it doesn't prevent the, the idea that, you know, somewhere down the road, the SEC or the Big Ten might wanna add a team or two.
Yeah.

I mean, y- that you could still do that, but you wouldn't have this mega league, basically.
Okay.
Are...
Sorry.
You good?
Are you at all concerned, Senator? I, college football is, is my life.
This is what, this is all I care about.

Yep.
And I love that it's stupid.
Like-

[laughs]
...
the NFL exists for people who like that.
New York and Boston are gonna play this Sunday.
They're, all the pr- I like, to some degree, that Trinidad Chambliss goes into a courtroom in Oxford, Mississippi, and the judge got his, his bachelor's and his JD from Ole Miss, and he's sitting there, and he's just waiting for him to go, and he, he's ready to rip into the NCAA, and Trinidad's signing autographs as they're, like, being like-

Yeah, right [laughs]
... "Yep, you can play," an eighth year in college football.
Is it the best thing? I don't know.
Probably not.
But I love it.
I, I love that college football is dumb, and it's the, it's the most fun sport we have.
Are you at all worried that you might kill that? Kill what I love?

I, I, well, 'cause I'm, I, I love college football.

Um, I don't wanna do that.

I'm not, I'm not coming at this as a guy that, um, you know, for some ivory to- I mean, that's what I do.

That's what I, I love Mizzou.

I love the SEC.

I lo- I watch other games too, but I, I certainly don't wanna do that.

My, my intention is to help preserve it, 'cause I just, I don't know, I don't think you can, the current trajectory-Um, to use your line about being stupid, there probably is, like, a, a maximum stupid that falls apart.

Um, and that's what I'm worried about, right? And just worried that you end up in a situation where it's just not, it's not sustainable.

And like I said, the Big 10, SEC, they might be okay in, in two or three years they might be able to.

But when you got Arkansas talking about dropping men's and women's tennis teams too, that's an SEC school.

It's kind of a, a ca- canary in a coal mine.

So I, I don't have a problem with saying there's...

I mean, we've lived with this forever, that you've got, like, a certain number of years of eligibility.

I mean, take that to the maximum extreme.

You know, should, can you go play for the New York Giants for five years, and then, you know, come back and, and play quarterback for Miami? You know what I mean? Like, I don't-
That could be fun

... like, at some point-
Jameis Winston coming back.

Yeah, Jameis Winston coming back.

[laughs]
Yeah, I mean-

So again, like, I think that there's some value of having just, like, clearly defined rules that, again, try to address some of the, the opportunities and downside that we see.

Look, part of the new landscape is, has allowed schools like Mizzou, Ole Miss, Indiana to rise up against the blue bloods.

I'm, I, I like that, right? Like, I don't wanna take that away.

I don't wanna...

You know, for a long time Alabama was able to stack, you know, four or five stars at every position, they could never leave.

I don't think that's a good system, right? And so I like the idea that, that a player can find another opportunity.

Austin Simmons, who, you talked about Chambliss.

Austin Simmons, who was supposed to be the quarterback at Ole Miss, uh, got hurt.

Chambliss comes in.

He transferred to Mizzou, so he's the Mizzou starting quarterback next year.

He's got that opportunity.

I think that's a good thing for the school and for him.

So I just think preserving those opportunities in a system that can actually survive is the goal.
So I, I was reading about the, uh-
From a, from, from a-
Yeah, go ahead
...
I'll hop in here too, man, real quick.
From a, from a former athlete's perspective, right? I, I'll, I'll, I'll preface this, and I should have prefaced this, that was, was saying, like, I'm not a fan of cast, tra- transferring, you know, willy-nilly.
I'm not.
But I ain't in they position, right? And from a athlete's perspective, it's, it's, it's odd to me to have people who have never played at that high level trying to dictate where they can go and, and essentially they're dictating, dictating they market value.
And I always bring it back to economics because we pretended for 100 years that collegiate athletic sports wasn't pro sports, right? And I think now we're pretending again, es- with this legislation, that it is not a free market business.
And I think once you st- like, w- like, why is Congress so interested and the government so interested in this one, you know? In, in, in collegiate athlete sports, in this business? 'Cause it is a business.
So, so the, the, the, the idea of y'all inter- interjecting and saying I can't go as a free citizen to whatever institution wants to have me is, is, is mind-blowing to me-

Well, but, okay
... from an athlete's perspective and a, and an American's perspec- uh, perspective.

Right.

Well, but you don't have contract, right? Like, you don't have a contract.
Yeah, you do.

So you know what I mean? Like-
Mm-hmm

...

I'd be okay with a, a system where players would negotiate a contract.

But a contract has terms, you know what I mean? Like, it'd be like somebody in the NFL, they sign a d- you know, they, they sign a deal and then they, they, you know, they have a period of time in which the contract's in effect, right? So I think what we're saying is that I wanna preserve the mobility if an athlete has another opportunity somewhere and can get paid.

Like, that's not going away.

Um, it's just a question of how many times can you, can you do that? And I guess y- you know, somebody could make the argument that there should be no limit ever and people should be able...

And th- that's with the system we have right now.

But I think trying to figure out standard that balances a lot of this to say you can still move, you can still get paid, but there are some rules, there's some boundaries.

I mean, that's really what's...

Because I think, again, we're...

This is just my opinion.

I think the downside here in, in two years is pretty dramatic.

I just think you're gonna have a lot of schools that people assume can continue down this path, and they just can't.

They can't.

Even SEC schools are, you know, they're, they're banging the drum to get, you know, make sure that they can pay guys to compete at that level.

And I, like I said, I'm good with that, but there is a place where that's just not gonna continue to happen.

That's all.
I don't, I don't disagree.
And like I said, I, I'm not a fan o- of, of the movement.
Like, like, you know, I played college football.
There's some, there's some, uh, nostalgia with my university and our rivals, and I, I get that side-

Yeah
... of it.
But I feel like this is the monster that was created a long time ago with pretending like they weren't, uh, employees getting, and should be getting a salary.
And now a- again, I think we're doing the same thing, and this is only gonna create a bigger monster if we just don't realize what...
Like, like, so they didn't allow...
Like, I think that Nor- Northwestern case a while back didn't allow, uh, collegiate athletes to unionize, right? If you, if you don't, like, there's ramifications for all of that, and I think we're starting to see the fallback of, of, of, of kids finally...
Th- like, you went to the extreme.
You went to, you went from you can't get any money or anything, y- you, you get penalized for getting a meal, to now you're getting $10 million deals.
That jump was massive.

Yeah.
And, and it's, and it's, and it's, and it's, it's predicated f- from the notion that this is not a farm club for the NFL.
It is.

Right.

Right.

Well, and I think it's also important to point out, and we've kinda glossed over it, we're saying in the legislation those protections that athletes have fought for for years are now in law, right? Like, you can't take a-
The healthcare I love.
Yeah.

Yeah.
I love that.
Yeah.

You can't take away the scholarship because somebody gets hurt.

They got the healthcare, they have that protection.

You know what I mean? Um, and I think that's important.

That's important to me.

Um, and, and that's in here.

So there's a lot of things that, you know, um, were forever denied-... are now gonna be codified in federal law, which I think is important, right? So, so again, it's, it's a balancing act.

It's trying to protect the athletes.

It's trying to say that, um, there, there have to be some rules that can be enforced, and somebody's gotta be able to do it.

And, uh, and, and Congress isn't gonna be doing it.

Like, Congress isn't going in and saying, like gonna subpoena people to come in before a committee hearing 'cause you violated some rule.

It's gonna be some governing body like the NCAA.
Can you tell me a little bit more about the College Sports Commission and the rights or the power that they would have to, uh, to evaluate NIL deals, like whether or not they serve a valid business purpose? It sounds like the college sport, like they would be, um, a, a, a governing body of sorts that if you said, "Hey, this person's taken an NIL deal at LSU, but I don't think that they're actually showing up to, uh, this brand of gas stations three times a month to like do public appearances."

Right.
How, how do you determine who goes onto that board, who's evaluating, making the decisions? Because kinda like Big T was alluding to, like this seems like it could be ripe for some of the stupidest stuff that we've seen in a while, or at least some conspiracy theories.
It's like, oh, this guy that's on the board, he hates LSU, so he won't-

Yeah
... let our guy take this.
Like, what is the, the formation of that board going to look like?

Yeah, you're gonna have the conferences and the, the schools decide who's on that board.

That won't be us.

Um, and you know, there is one now, but it just, it's not really, it doesn't really have any teeth because anything that they decide, like I said, gets thrown out in court, right?
Right.

So the idea is...

So basically there, I think there's three kinda options here.

One is you have this 20.5 million that every, that is supposed to be the, the, the amount that you can spend on all your programs.

And then right now the, the collectives can do an end around and, you know, like you said, just it, they're, you know.

You could say that's a s- fine system, but it's creating a lot, I think a lot of disparity.

So then one solution to that is to say, okay, this CSC is actually empowered to make some of these determinations and enforce them and say, "This is a legit deal," and, "No, this is just like a, an illegitimate deal." The other option is you get rid of the collectives and you raise the cap.
Mm-hmm.

Right? And you say donors can, say, uh, above the 20.5 million, they can earmark it to the athletic department, and there's a lot of merit to that.

I kinda like that idea, um, where, you know, so your, your people can still maximize their, their worth, but there's some cap, and it's all through the schools, right? They just, it, you don't have this third party collective.

But, and this, but-
I think a lot of business owners would like that too because it, it would limit some of the risk that they undertake.
It being like, here's $2 million for a, a wide receiver, and then that wide receiver decides that they don't actually wanna play there after a couple of months.

Correct.
And then they leave.

And you can't enforce it on that end either.

Yeah, no, that's right.

And-
But if they, if they earmark it for the schools, then it's part of the contract that the, the, uh, person would sign with the school, so like they're getting paid through and then have that like legislation wrapped around it.
That seems like that would be a more effective use.

Uh, I don't disagree with you.
All right.

But that's part of the sausage-making that has to happen here in this thing about getting enough people to agree on one kind of solution.

I think that the, the CSC having some teeth is better than the situation there is now.

The other thing is it requires reporting on what these deals actually are.
Mm-hmm.

That's part of the problem right now is some schools just don't, and I, they shall remain nameless, I guess.

They just don't report any of this.

Like they don't, [laughs] they just don't even... 'Cause they're like, "Well, what are you gonna do to me?"
Yeah.

Kinda thing, you know? And um, and that's kind of the situation that we have right now.

And so you've got a lot, like you don't even really know what the roster value of one school is versus another school, and I think that information's important.

And back to some of the questions, 'cause that helps determine the value of the player, too.
Yeah.

Right? Like a lot more transparency, you can kinda see, okay, all in, what is an elite safety's value? Or all in, what is an elite wide receiver in the Big Ten's value? Right now we don't really have a lot of data on that 'cause a lot of this is concealed.
Mm.
Fullback would be the position I'd be most interested in funding myself.

[laughs]
Um, as a-

You could probably do that.
I, I probably could, yeah.
There's, I mean, there's what? Like three schools that use fullbacks now?

Yeah, maybe.

Well, hey, with right now with no eligibility rules, you can probably go to court and get in.
I, I might be able-

So it's all good
...
I actually have a more selfish, uh, question to ask you that you're here.
Um, you're an attorney.
Uh, you were attorney general of, of the State of Missouri for, for a period there.
It, can I, can I sue somebody if I'm, if I'm playing in a golf tournament inside the state of R- of, uh, Missouri and let's just say the prize pool is a million dollars, and three people split this million dollars.
Can I sue somebody if my teammate on the first day sleeps in, misses his tee time, and then I end up getting bounced after two rounds instead of being able to compete and potentially win a million dollar...
Can I, can everybody that was on my team file a class action lawsuit against this one player who's really good that slept in and didn't care?

I think so.

I think you got a great cause of action there.
Okay.

Um, and is the guy...

Uh, who's the dude? Is it sitting, is he-
I mean-

... sitting next to you?
No, he's not sitting next to-

No, no, no.

No
...
I, I, I don't, I don't wanna target him by name, um, but-

[laughs]
... people that, that are listening, they know exactly who this guy is.
He's a good golfer.

I, you know, sadly...

Was this in Missouri, by the way?
Yeah, this was, uh, at, in the Ozarks.
It was at the, um, the Bass Pro Shops setup that they got out there.

Oh, yeah.
At, uh, what, what's the name of that, the-

Is it Big Cedar?
Big Cedar Lodge, yeah.

Big Cedar.
Exactly.
It's a great place.

Yeah, were you playing-
I'm sure you've been there

... were you playing Buffalo Ridge or Paynes Valley?
We did both.

Okay.
So this was at Paynes Valley, and, uh, day one, hole one, I step up to the tee and my teammate slept in, and it's supposed to be a two-man scramble.
I step up to the hole.
I, I hit my tee shot.
It goes about, uh, half a mile to the right, um, so I have to hit off the-

[laughs]
... second tee box coming back up the hill.
But really it's because of one person that-Made us not win the million dollars.
So I feel like-

I think, I mean, sadly, sadly, I think the, the lawsuit, the, the damages would be speculative.

So I, I don't know that you've got a great cause of action.

But it'll be fun.

It'd be fun to make that argument.
If w-

Uh, to, to haul, to haul your buddy into court and make him answer questions.

That'd be a lot of fun actually.
I would like to do that.
I would like to tie up the courts with him.

By the way, which course did you like better? Um, Paynes Valley or Buffalo Ridge?
I like Paynes Valley.
And for a guy-

Okay
... like me that I kind of spray it off the tee, so it's like-

Yeah, you got wider fairways
... pretty wide.

There you go.
And we're going back-

Yeah
...
there this year.
Um, and I think the, the prize pool is up to $4 million now, so.

Oh, man.
I'm gonna see what I can do.
But I will be armed with the knowledge that I...
Like, I'll threaten to sue him.
I don't know if I actually will, but I'll be like, "Hey."

You might need a new partner though.

That might be the other thing.
We'll see.
We'll see.
I kinda wanna beat him now, yeah.
If we're closing with the selfish question, Senator, I don't know if you can see-
That's all right
...
I'm wearing my House of Representatives quarter zip here that we got from, uh, Congressman Pat Ryan.

Okay.
Was just wondering, is there a Senate quarter zip falling off the truck somewhere? Do y'all have those-

[laughs]
... somewhere in the back?

All right.

Well, let's get some swag.

We'll get some swag your way.

How's that?
Thank you.

We'll do it.
Yep, that, that's all we need.
And, um-

Do you guy- By the way, do you guys, do you play...

Do both of you guys play golf or no?
I play golf very poorly.
Mm-hmm.
Never competitively.
Arian's pretty good too.

They have some, they have some Senate club head covers, uh, in the gift shop.
I w- I w- If, if one of those falls off the truck, you can feel free to send that.
That'd be fine.

Let's do that.

Let's do that.
I'd like that very much.
A- and you are, um, are you the, the, like, um, the ringer for the Republicans on the Congressional baseball team?
Yeah, we got a streak going.
We gotta keep that going this year.

Yeah.

We've got practices at 5:45 in the morning, which Missouri time is 4:45 in the morning.

But, um, I fig- my OPS is 1850 I've discovered.
Wow.

Somebody's doing the stats.
That's actually insane.

So, um-
Do you get drug tested?

Yeah, the... [laughs] No.

Thank God, thank God.
That's, 'cause if, listen, if I'm commissioner of baseball and a guy walks in with a 1800 OPS-

It's ridiculous
...
I'm like-

It's not, but it's not real life.

It's congr- it's Congressional Baseball.

But, um, but I will say that, um...

So we have a pretty deep lineup.

Mark Teixeira is about to win a Congressional seat in Texas.
Mm-hmm.

And so I'm already lobbying to make sure that I'm in the two hole if he's in the three hole next year if he plays, 'cause that'll be totally ridiculous.

But, um-
Is he gonna be allowed to play?

But y-
That might be dangerous.

Well, you know what? Um, I wanna, I wanna win 100 to nothing.

That's my goal.

So, um, the, the 30 to five scores aren't good enough.

We gotta get a, a potential Hall of Famer in there, so.
Do y'all use metal bats?

Uh, metal bats, yeah.
Oh, that's-

It is the whole BB Corp-
That's a safety issue.
He should, Mark Teixeira should use wooden bat.
Let's, let's be real.

Yeah.

But, you know, now they've got that torpedo bat that's kinda the same as a BB Corp bat.

Um, so-
Mm-hmm

...

I mean, they're not like bats back in the day, the Easton, like Black Magic, that would literally get someone killed at third base.

They're, they're all different now.

But, um, but yeah, no, that's in, that's next Wednesday, so that's in 10 days, that game at Nats Park.

There's like 30,000 people that go.

It's fun.
Man.

It's actually a lot of fun.

It's actually what I, I was joking when I was in the outfield, you know, last year to the, the other guy.

I said, "This is what I really wanted to do with my life.

I just had to get, get to the Senate to be in a Major League outfield," so.
Is there a, is there, in the spirit of bipartisanship, is there anybody on the Democrat side that you look at, you, you respect their game? I know that they stink.

No.
Yeah, no one?

No, I'm kidding.

No, uh, Chris Deluzio, um, is from the Pittsburgh area.

Uh, he's a pretty good athlete.

Um, in, on the Senate side, Alex Padilla, um, from California.

We have a good time out there.

He beat me, um, a couple of, couple of years ago.
Mm-hmm.

And, uh, he said, "You know, I, if I was trying to hit you, I would've thrown at you the first pitch." And I said, "Don't worry, you don't throw hard enough for it to hurt, so it's no big deal."
[laughs]

So, um, but no, we have some fun out there.

There's a little, there's a little trash talk.
Love it.

But, but Republicans, we've been, uh, I think we're on, like a five-year winning streak.

This will be my...

I was elected in 2022, so this will be my fourth game.
So you've never lost, never lost this game?

That's correct.
Mm-hmm.

That's correct.
All right.
Well, well, good luck.
Uh, I, I love watching the highlights of that.
You guys are gonna smoke them again.
It's not, it's really not fair.
Like, there should be a slaughter rule in this game.

[laughs] Well, it would, it would definitely shorten the, the time of the game.

Um-
Yeah

... thankfully it's only seven innings, but yeah.
All right.
Well, uh, appreciate you joining us.
Um, oh, one last, last question.
I feel like w- all this discussion about college sports, it's important, but we're taking the eye, our eye off the ball with Greenland.
When are we gonna get Greenland? I, I'm, I'm-

I'm with you, man.

Um-
...
I'm walking down the street and everyone's like, "APFT, when are we gonna invade Greenland?" I'm like, "Just be patient."

I want Greenland.

Um, I think we're probably better off buying it, which is really where the conversation is.

Like we bought Alaska.
Okay.

Like we bought, the Louisiana Purchase, where my home state of Missouri is once part-
Mm-hmm

... of that purchase.

Uh, getting Greenland.

In all seriousness, all the critical minerals they have, you can refine them there.

Strategically in the Arctic, um, matters a lot for missile defense.

So I'm all for it.
Okay.
Just wanna make sure that we hadn't forgot about that.
Hadn't heard a lot about Greenland recently.

Yes.

[laughs]
All right.
Well, appreciate you joining us.
Thank you, sir.

All right, guys.

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And that was Eric Schmitt, senator from Missouri.
I'll be contacting him to sue Luquan forthwith.
[laughs]
I bet the Senate head covers are sick.
Yeah? Oh.
That's, that's an exclusive.
You know what would rock is if it was, like, if they had president head covers.
I'm sure one person does.
They probably do.
[laughs] Yeah, that's true.
[laughs]
That's true.
No, but I-
I guarantee you he does
...
but I mean, like, the actual head.
Oh.
You know what I'm saying?
You mean like the Nats, like Presidents Race.
Yeah.
Yeah, like a mascot head of Teddy Roosevelt.
That'd be fun.
Would be a pretty good driver.
The Nats might have those.
They, they probably do.
I'll have to look into that.
Who do you think the worst person-
'Cause the Brewers had head covers of the, the sausage guys.
Yeah, true.
That's true.
I think I got one of those, actually.
Yeah, you do.
[laughs]
Yeah.
I think a, a William Howard Taft driver would be interesting.
Him be a big dog.
Uh, so I'm not...
The Nats don't have them, but there is a company that has something similar.
It's not quite what we were looking for.
Oh, the Jimmy Carter.
That's a tough one.
That's JFK.
That looks like Jimmy Carter to me.
[laughs]
Are you serious? That's-
John F. Kennedy.
[laughs]
All right.
Listen, respect to, uh, to Jimmy Carter.
That's not JFK.
JFK is a, a handsome devil.
Looks like they just have JFK and Trump.
I don't know that I'd want the JFK.
[laughs] Hold the what?
Like, he doesn't, he, he didn't have a very good driver when he-
Yeah
... was alive.
And head too.
[laughs]
Yeah.
You don't want, "Hey, can you take the head off that JFK for me?"
Oh.
No, I don't wanna, like, that-
Yeah, yeah, yeah
... there's a whole thing with that.
Do you think they did that on purpose? Wait, and Trump shot as well.
Also shot.
Yeah, yeah.
So just think about it.
Keep an eye on that company.
Yeah, that's, that's kinda crazy.
[laughs]
Keep an eye on that.
All right.
Well, uh, we will see you guys on Thursday.
Love you guys.
Goodbye.
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