Creating a Balanced Mobility Diet for Copenhagen

And then maybe once I'm down there, jump on a ferry back here.

What's the carrot for this? Because a lot of the policies towards cars in the city have been a bit of the stick approach, making it more expensive, making it more difficult to drive, reducing the number of parking spaces.

What are the roads going to look like here, for example?

We're not really going to have roads.

We're going to have streets.

And streets are much more characteristic of having multiple functions, so that they can support both movement, but also other kinds of social activity.

The way that the majority of the streets are going to be designed here are actually with very little asphalt, very little space for cars to move about, but actually lots of space for people to come together.

There's going to be huge pedestrianised areas.

Rêve Saloon is characterised by a big cross.

which are essentially, I think, going to become two pedestrianized areas.

Because you

can do a lot with this kind of the street architecture to make pedestrians more welcome or to make them more wary of traffic, all the signage and things.

If you get rid of the signage, cars tend to slow down.

If you get rid of the curbs, that kind of architectural intervention can work a lot of psychological magic, can't it?

I think urban design can do a lot.

We don't have to have signs, as you say, implementing speed limits.

It's actually about the way that you design the street.

The way for cars doesn't necessarily have to be in a straight line.

We're kind of optimizing for speed in our current ways that we design roads.

Actually, we've seen a lot of new urban developments, curved carways, and that actually naturally shows them down.

It also creates pockets for other things, pockets for people to stay, increase in biodiversity, so more urban nature, more trees.

I think for anyone coming to Copenhagen, it's a real shock at how little urban nature there is.

There is very little trees on the street and there's a lot of cars.

Let's take a little walk further in and see where the metro station is going to come and what's going to surround it.

So this is literally where we're going to come up one day out of a metro station.