Lady Carnarvon's Official Podcast
Jun 1, 2026 · 42 min · 12 segments
I welcome Dutch historian Rutger Bregman to the podcast after first messaging him on Instagram and we talk about what I took from his book Humankind and my own wish to bring people together to…
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Fiona CarnarvonHost
And I read Humankind with interest because the earliest civilizations who were certainly Neolithic or Bronze Age-
... you can see the remains of the Bronze Age tumuli and the Iron Age forts, and the transition from early hunting settlements or inhabitants-
I suppose I would definitely dispute that the first hunters were any kinder perhaps than the farming agrarian settlements later on.
But you can see it in the landscape here, so it always gives me pause for thought.
... you only build a fort because you're protecting yourself [laughs] from those around you.
Your book was obviously provocative, and I have spent quite a lot of my time reading it.
And I read Humankind with interest because the earliest civilizations who were certainly Neolithic or Bronze Age-
... you can see the remains of the Bronze Age tumuli and the Iron Age forts, and the transition from early hunting settlements or inhabitants-
I suppose I would definitely dispute that the first hunters were any kinder perhaps than the farming agrarian settlements later on.
But you can see it in the landscape here, so it always gives me pause for thought.
... you only build a fort because you're protecting yourself [laughs] from those around you.
Your book was obviously provocative, and I have spent quite a lot of my time reading it.
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