When Intuition Gets Dismissed
Women learned that intuition could be dangerous
Intuitive Self: IFS + Intuition + Spirituality with Natalie Deering
Sep 1, 2026 · 1 hr 3 min · 15 segments
In this episode, I sit down with Kay Gardner, one of the original “mothers” of Internal Family Systems (IFS), to discuss her new book, *Calling Ourselves Back Home: The Spiritual and Energetic Lens of…
Kay GardnerGuest
Natalie DeeringHost
So it's ironic that you came in during COVID because that was, that was when everything shifted.

It's like once we went online and it was so funny cause I was down in new Orleans, I was scheduled to do a level two and, in Arizona somewhere.

Like I'm just like, really anybody who's ever trained with me, I have, I don't do pod.

How am I possibly going to be able to do this? But my husband is a couple's therapist and he had all these whiteboards.

And my therapist at the time just said, just do it the way you would do it anywhere.

Yeah, we were both ready to quit, but we were like, okay, we're going to do it.

And then folks like you could come in, right? And folks like folks in everywhere, you know, we're training everywhere.

And I'm curious, like, when you look back on it, like, do you recall? like having a sensation or like an intuitive knowing or a feeling of like, this is like, this is something big.

So it's ironic that you came in during COVID because that was, that was when everything shifted.

It's like once we went online and it was so funny cause I was down in new Orleans, I was scheduled to do a level two and, in Arizona somewhere.

Like I'm just like, really anybody who's ever trained with me, I have, I don't do pod.

How am I possibly going to be able to do this? But my husband is a couple's therapist and he had all these whiteboards.

And my therapist at the time just said, just do it the way you would do it anywhere.

Yeah, we were both ready to quit, but we were like, okay, we're going to do it.

And then folks like you could come in, right? And folks like folks in everywhere, you know, we're training everywhere.

And I'm curious, like, when you look back on it, like, do you recall? like having a sensation or like an intuitive knowing or a feeling of like, this is like, this is something big.
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When Intuition Gets Dismissed
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