Holding the Human Line w/ Allan Brooks and Etienne Brisson

awesome well yeah thank you as well for for sharing that and uh i guess that's the the first thing is just i really want to uh underscore how much i appreciate you guys uh sharing your stories and motivation here because i think it's Not something I mean, it's hard to be vulnerable.

Right.

And that's essentially what sharing in this way asks you to do.

And so I think that's worth just saying, you know, thank you.

And I appreciate you sharing that.

Before we get into things further, I also want to talk about the language that's used in the space, both like how we talk about the phenomenon and also the people who are impacted by it.

I understand that the media often uses specific framings which aren't used by your community.

And I'm wondering sort of what the preferred terminology is uh is for for you guys and how to talk about uh both the individuals and the experience uh in this circumstance

yeah maybe i can i can start there i think like At the beginning, when I first started, personally, I was reading on all these topics and my personal, like my uncle got diagnosed with psychosis, right? And kind of that phrase was kind of coined AI psychosis and all of that.

But this is not an psychosis, like maybe there are some symptoms and I think like there's things that sometimes it goes into psychosis, but it's it's different just from kind of the trigger but also this is not something that as is like alone right it's kind of a back and forth it's kind of a of an exchange that goes into a spiral right that we call it almost like a vicious circle and there's this term i found when i was starting which is fully other and it's kind of like when two people are engaging and are going into a spiral together, which I think is similar, but the difference is it's not two people, it's an AI.

The difficulty and the danger with kind of saying AI psychosis or kind of giving these big broader terms that seems really intense is I think we're stigmatizing kind of the phenomena right now.

We see people kind of looking at this and say, oh, mentally ill people, that's how psychosis are.

They're in a straight jacket, in a white room.

This is like psychotic people, right? I think that kind of decredibilize kind of what is happening and what we are doing, because these people are not kind of these people who maybe have predisposition to psychosis.

Psychosis usually is something that is triggered in your late teens, early 20s.

Most of our group are over 40s with no previous mental health history.

So these kind of things, I think, are kind of showing that this is different from a normal psychosis, but also that this is not something that only happens to kind of this, only this portion of population.

This can happen to, I think, everyone.

And giving like these terms is, I think for a lot of people are just, ah, this would never happen to me.

I'm not prone to psychosis, right? Yeah.

Yeah, I agree.

I think the AI psychosis thing is just media doing their media thing.

I can appreciate how the term came into being, though, because...

Like I was saying, some of these situations, first of all, I want to say it's all over the map just based on what I've seen, speaking to hundreds and hundreds of people.

Some people and I think what happens is like maybe there's an extreme case where they end up in a hospital or, you know, needing some sort of medical support.