May 29, 2026 · 1 hr 4 min · 13 segments
In this episode of the High Capacity podcast, I talk with Matt Sheehan, Senior Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment, about the next phase of the US-China AI race: AI safety, open-source models, AI agents…
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The two leaders recently met in Beijing and agreed to formal US-China talks, uh, about AI, although many details are not clear yet.
Um, US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said, quote, "The two AI superpowers are gonna start talking.
We're going to set up a protocol in terms of how do we go forward with best practices for AI to make sure non-state actors don't get ahold of these models," end quote.
So this is all happening against the backdrop of, you know, intense competition between the AI model developers in the US and China, um, and against the backdrop of, um, Anthropic's Mythos model, which has gotten a lot of discussion, uh, especially here in Washington about AI safety and cyber risk.
And then most recently, uh, Trump almost signed an executive order about, uh, voluntary pre-release model testing, but then seemed to back out at the last minute.
Wanted to get, you know, your reaction to all this, and especially about this, um, these formal talks.
You know, what do you think the US and China will want to talk about? Do you th- do you think there's gonna be big differences o- on either side, or how do you think this might go forward?
The two leaders recently met in Beijing and agreed to formal US-China talks, uh, about AI, although many details are not clear yet.
Um, US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said, quote, "The two AI superpowers are gonna start talking.
We're going to set up a protocol in terms of how do we go forward with best practices for AI to make sure non-state actors don't get ahold of these models," end quote.
So this is all happening against the backdrop of, you know, intense competition between the AI model developers in the US and China, um, and against the backdrop of, um, Anthropic's Mythos model, which has gotten a lot of discussion, uh, especially here in Washington about AI safety and cyber risk.
And then most recently, uh, Trump almost signed an executive order about, uh, voluntary pre-release model testing, but then seemed to back out at the last minute.
Wanted to get, you know, your reaction to all this, and especially about this, um, these formal talks.
You know, what do you think the US and China will want to talk about? Do you th- do you think there's gonna be big differences o- on either side, or how do you think this might go forward?
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