Great Men Don't Rush (w/ Jonathan Cronstedt of Kajabi)

Shane Sams sits down with Jonathan Cronstedt, former President of Kajabi and author of *The Billion Dollar Bullseye*, for a wide-ranging discussion on scaling massive digital empires, the future of online education, and the timeless principles of ancient philosophy. Reflecting on Kajabi's massive growth to over eleven billion dollars processed for digital creators, JCron breaks down how the value shift in online education has moved from static, information-heavy courses toward outcome-oriented, community-driven experiences led by trusted guides. He introduces the core framework from his book, explaining why building sound systems must precede recruiting talent to achieve exceptional business results. The two also tackle the rapid rise of artificial intelligence, framing the technology as a highly convincing but fundamentally disconnected tool, which ultimately elevates authentic human connection, trust, and leadership into the ultimate modern luxuries. The dialogue ventures deep into the internal architecture of a leader, exploring how Stoic philosophy and ancient wisdom provide a vital manual for self-correction without toxic self-criticism. Shane shares his own personal journey through a midlife correction, highlighting the counterintuitive need to reorder life priorities to protect mental and physical health in order to better serve others. They close the episode with a fascinating look at the intentional culture of brotherhood, sharing how the ritual of smoking cigars serves as a natural governor against digital distraction. By forcing patience, deep listening, and uninterrupted presence, this unique habit has become such a critical foundation for authentic relationship-building that JCron even has it written directly into his formal business operating agreements. Learn more at [greatmen.org.](greatmen.org.)