Sep 9, 2026 · 39 min · 11 segments
Oklahoma Secretary of Energy and Environment **Jeff Starling** and the Fulcrum Foundation’s **Reeve Bull** discuss a new regulatory reform pilot project in Oklahoma. They share how Oklahoma is using…
Jeff StarlingGuest
Jace LingtonHost
Reeve BullGuest
And so one thing that Gray Matters does a lot is focus at the federal level on regulatory reform.
And one thing I learned or Reeve reminded me reading his report is that a lot of times state regulatory agencies have to deal with federal regulations and federal law and the requirements there before they can implement whatever state policy there is.
Did that cause any problems for the AI system or was it able to switch between the two pretty easily?
You know, I mentioned earlier that DEQ has most of the delegated authorities from the EPA, and so we were dealing with this federal overlay of a state regulatory body, you know, quite extensively.
And that was one of the reasons why we really wanted – to use AI, the velocity of change in the federal regulatory environment has just increased, right? I mean, going from administration to administration, you swing 180 degrees and what the regulatory priorities are and how they're pushing out those authorities.
And so the concern was, and we found examples of this, is where we had regulations that were outdated, right? That were from a prior regulatory, federal regulatory body that had been an authority that had been delegated to the state, but that had changed.
Were our state regulations more burdensome than what was required by the federal government? And if so, that may be purposeful, but let's at least go into it knowing it,
And you mentioned flagging those rules that might have more costs than benefits.
And I was wondering if you noticed if there were any patterns where the biggest sources of savings came from.
A lot of our data that we collected during our initial trial period was really anecdotal.
Employees were kind of keeping a rough idea of how many hours they may save on tasks.
It's, you know, pursuant to the Clean Air Act and those delegated authorities.
And so one thing that Gray Matters does a lot is focus at the federal level on regulatory reform.
And one thing I learned or Reeve reminded me reading his report is that a lot of times state regulatory agencies have to deal with federal regulations and federal law and the requirements there before they can implement whatever state policy there is.
Did that cause any problems for the AI system or was it able to switch between the two pretty easily?
You know, I mentioned earlier that DEQ has most of the delegated authorities from the EPA, and so we were dealing with this federal overlay of a state regulatory body, you know, quite extensively.
And that was one of the reasons why we really wanted – to use AI, the velocity of change in the federal regulatory environment has just increased, right? I mean, going from administration to administration, you swing 180 degrees and what the regulatory priorities are and how they're pushing out those authorities.
And so the concern was, and we found examples of this, is where we had regulations that were outdated, right? That were from a prior regulatory, federal regulatory body that had been an authority that had been delegated to the state, but that had changed.
Were our state regulations more burdensome than what was required by the federal government? And if so, that may be purposeful, but let's at least go into it knowing it,
And you mentioned flagging those rules that might have more costs than benefits.
And I was wondering if you noticed if there were any patterns where the biggest sources of savings came from.
A lot of our data that we collected during our initial trial period was really anecdotal.
Employees were kind of keeping a rough idea of how many hours they may save on tasks.
It's, you know, pursuant to the Clean Air Act and those delegated authorities.
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