Ep. 7 | "The Body TRAPS the Score" Full Interview with Counterstrain Founder Brian Tuckey, PT

In this interview episode of Good Outcomes, Dr. Dave sits down with Brian Tuckey PT, the creator of Fascial Counterstrain and one of the last physical therapists personally trained by Dr. Lawrence Jones, the osteopathic physician who developed strain counterstrain in the 1950s. Brian traces the full origin story, from his early disillusionment with "no pain, no gain" manual therapy, to the moment Dr. Jones stumbled onto counterstrain almost by accident with a single patient, to the decades of pattern recognition and clinical trial-and-error that grew that discovery into more than 1,200 techniques used by practitioners worldwide today. The conversation covers the science behind trapped inflammation and why it drives dysfunction well beyond the musculoskeletal system, how a "wrong theory" about the brainstem accidentally led to the discovery of the cranial scan, and what it actually takes to master a technique this complex. Dr. Dave and Brian also discuss the role faith has played throughout this journey, and where the future of counterstrain training is headed. In this episode: - How Dr. Jones accidentally discovered counterstrain with one patient - Brian's own turning point discovering the technique - The science behind trapped inflammation and muscle guarding - How a "wrong theory" led to the breakthrough cranial scan - Why "pain is a liar" and what that means for chronic pain patients - What it really takes to become an elite counterstrainer - Where Fascial Counterstrain training is headed next About Brian Tuckey, PT: Brian Tuckey, PT began training under Dr. Lawrence Jones at the Jones Institute in 1992 and was one of only four physical therapists certified to teach strain counterstrain. Since then, he has developed approximately 1,200 fascial counterstrain techniques and teaches practitioners internationally, including in the U.S., France, Italy, Germany, and Australia. Resources Mentioned in Episode: Main website to look up practitioner near you - www.countertrain.com  Class Registration link: The Jones Institute   PT Brian Tuckey’s Website with Research Cited: Fascial Counterstrain Research and Information- Tuckey & Associates  2021 Article mentioned - Impaired Lymphatic Drainage and Interstitial Inflammatory Stasis in Chronic Musculoskeletal and Idiopathic Pain Syndromes: Exploring a Novel Mechanism  2025 Article mentioned - Fascial Counterstrain: A methodological advancement in indirect osteopathic manipulation  PTSD Article mentioned - Rapid Reduction in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder Symptom Severity after Three Fascial Counterstrain Manual Treatments: A Proof-of-Concept Study  Social Media platforms for Brian Tuckey, PT:  The Jones Institute (@jicounterstrain) The Jones Institute | Carlsbad CA  Chapter Markers: 00:31 – Meet Brian Tuckey, PT, Origin of Counterstrain 01:44 – Disillusioned by "No Pain, No Gain" 02:54 – Dr. Dave's Own Counterstrain Awakening 06:17 – Who Discovers Fascial Counterstrain (and Why) 08:38 – Why "Okay" Isn't Good Enough 11:19 – What Fascial Counterstrain Actually Is 12:49 – The Published Research Behind Trapped Inflammation 12:57 – What "Flushing Out" Inflammation Means 20:41 – Pain Is a Liar 22:04 – Phantom Limb Pain Explains Everything 24:11 – How Dr. Jones Discovered the Technique 28:27 – Birth of the Cranial Scan 31:34 – Managed Care Forces a Breakthrough 35:26 – The Mastoid Process Discovery 38:19 – (Residency Program Ad Break) 40:04 – Proving Fascia Is Contractile 44:40 – Diagnosing an Entire System in 30 Seconds 48:26 – Defining a True Good Outcome 51:05 – Faith, God, and Clinical Epiphanies 56:07 – Curing Trigeminal Neuralgia 1:01:18 – Why Specialization Fails Patients 1:05:33 – The Testimony That Means the Most 1:07:10 – Reversing PTSD in a Pilot Study 1:09:27 – The Body Traps the Score 1:18:39 – When Patients Say "You're My Last Hope" 1:21:45 – What Makes an Elite Counterstrainer 1:26:43 – Why the Curriculum Keeps Evolving 1:31:51 – Scaling Counterstrain Training Worldwide 1:33:29 – The Fear of Becoming a Novice Again 1:35:37 – Where to Find a Practitioner 1:39:54 – A Generational Vision for Healing **Want more info on a residency with Renew Integrative Physical Therapy? Click here for more information:** https://renewintegrativept.com/join-our-team/ **Follow Renew on social:** https://www.facebook.com/ReNewPensacolaPT  https://www.instagram.com/renewintegrativept/  https://www.youtube.com/@Renew-Integrative **Follow Dr. Dave on social:** https://www.facebook.com/david.harvitz.9  https://www.instagram.com/dr.davedpt/  https://www.youtube.com/@drdaveharvitz