Howard Thurman Speaks w. Landrum Bolling and Howard Thurman (1976)

This is Steve Schallert.

And this is Jared McKenna.

And you're listening to the Good on Wood podcast, contemplative trouble in an age of rising fascisms.

A production of St. Stephen's University and the Jim Forrest Institute.

Because as Dan Berrigan says, if you want to follow Jesus, You better look

good on wood.

So a few weeks ago, Jared and I had this illuminating conversation with Dr. Paul Harvey about the life and witness of Howard Thurman.

And that episode, Howard Thurman and the Disinherited, we released it a few weeks back.

And if you haven't heard it, I want to encourage you to hit pause, go down in your feet a little bit, find it, give it a listen.

And once you're done, come back here because we decided after having this conversation that we were going to do something a little different this week for the Good on Wood podcast.

We're going to release this interview between Howard Thurman and Landrum Bowling in its entirety.

Howard Thurman, in his own words, we included a lot of best takes from that conversation in this previous episode, but...

After just ruminating on how much Thurman's voice is so important for us today, amid all the frenetic energy and activists going here and there and everywhere as we try to be responsive to history, to this rise of authoritarianism, the divisiveness and reactiveness that's kind of frenetically cutting through everybody.

We need another Thurman.

We need somebody who will look at all of us and ask us those fundamental questions of who are you really? So that we can again return to ourselves and make sure that our action in the world is grounded in a spirituality that is deep enough to hold us to the fire.

And Thurman was that for an entire generation.

We are grateful to the Howard Thurman Digital Archive for giving us access to this interview.

So we felt it would be valuable for everybody to spend some time sitting at Thurman's feet and just listening to him tell his own story and wax and wane about his ideas and wisdom and religious insight.

So without further ado, here's Howard Thurman.

and Landrum Boiling having a conversation in 1976 that is just as relevant right now.

This is Steve Schallert.

And this is Jared McKenna.

And you're listening to the Good on Wood podcast, contemplative trouble in an age of rising fascisms.

A production of St. Stephen's University and the Jim Forrest Institute.

Because as Dan Berrigan says, if you want to follow Jesus, You better look

good on wood.

So a few weeks ago, Jared and I had this illuminating conversation with Dr. Paul Harvey about the life and witness of Howard Thurman.

And that episode, Howard Thurman and the Disinherited, we released it a few weeks back.

And if you haven't heard it, I want to encourage you to hit pause, go down in your feet a little bit, find it, give it a listen.

And once you're done, come back here because we decided after having this conversation that we were going to do something a little different this week for the Good on Wood podcast.

We're going to release this interview between Howard Thurman and Landrum Bowling in its entirety.

Howard Thurman, in his own words, we included a lot of best takes from that conversation in this previous episode, but...

After just ruminating on how much Thurman's voice is so important for us today, amid all the frenetic energy and activists going here and there and everywhere as we try to be responsive to history, to this rise of authoritarianism, the divisiveness and reactiveness that's kind of frenetically cutting through everybody.

We need another Thurman.

We need somebody who will look at all of us and ask us those fundamental questions of who are you really? So that we can again return to ourselves and make sure that our action in the world is grounded in a spirituality that is deep enough to hold us to the fire.

And Thurman was that for an entire generation.

We are grateful to the Howard Thurman Digital Archive for giving us access to this interview.

So we felt it would be valuable for everybody to spend some time sitting at Thurman's feet and just listening to him tell his own story and wax and wane about his ideas and wisdom and religious insight.

So without further ado, here's Howard Thurman.

and Landrum Boiling having a conversation in 1976 that is just as relevant right now.