Get Obsessed : With Living Your Best Life
Sep 1, 2026 · 30 min · 13 segments
In this episode of the Get Obsessed podcast, Julie Lokun sits down with Dr. Christine Marie to unpack the story behind Trust Me The False Prophet and her years living in Short Creek, an FLDS…
thingI find this fascinating as you're talking about this, and I know how much love you have for the women in the FLDS.
... thinking of, she is amazing, and then I'm like, "Oh, she's on the documentary," and I was telling my husband, "I just talked to Esther.
She's amazing and so sweet and so smart." So categorizing the FLDS as a cult, if you will, would you categorize it as a cult, or what actually...
And we'll talk more about Sam Bateman, and I don't wanna misrepresent what you're doing as well.
There is a continuum of influence, and the person who designed this was my mentor, cult expert Steve Hassan.
So if you're in a situation where you have everything in your life controlled, your behavior, the information you're receiving, your relationships, your thoughts, your emotions, then you're in an authoritarian cult situation.
Now, there are other cults that don't have that much control and are not so harmful, and in the FLDS, it runs the gamut.
It really depends on the family and on the individual as to how much they are under the control of their husband, their caretaker, their prophet.
Some people believe everything, but they still think their own thoughts and decide, "I know that this is a, a rule coming down from the top, but this doesn't work for my family." I mean, they do their own thinking, so I don't wanna overgeneralize, but there are situations that are cultic, absolutely.
But there are cultic situations in relationships with just two people that have the same dynamic.
It could be a boyfriend and a girlfriend and the, and it could even be the girlfriend that's controlling everything about the boyfriend.
How much coercion is involved in this relationship, in this religious group, in this corporation, in this political party? Cultic influence can be anywhere.
thingI find this fascinating as you're talking about this, and I know how much love you have for the women in the FLDS.
... thinking of, she is amazing, and then I'm like, "Oh, she's on the documentary," and I was telling my husband, "I just talked to Esther.
She's amazing and so sweet and so smart." So categorizing the FLDS as a cult, if you will, would you categorize it as a cult, or what actually...
And we'll talk more about Sam Bateman, and I don't wanna misrepresent what you're doing as well.
There is a continuum of influence, and the person who designed this was my mentor, cult expert Steve Hassan.
So if you're in a situation where you have everything in your life controlled, your behavior, the information you're receiving, your relationships, your thoughts, your emotions, then you're in an authoritarian cult situation.
Now, there are other cults that don't have that much control and are not so harmful, and in the FLDS, it runs the gamut.
It really depends on the family and on the individual as to how much they are under the control of their husband, their caretaker, their prophet.
Some people believe everything, but they still think their own thoughts and decide, "I know that this is a, a rule coming down from the top, but this doesn't work for my family." I mean, they do their own thinking, so I don't wanna overgeneralize, but there are situations that are cultic, absolutely.
But there are cultic situations in relationships with just two people that have the same dynamic.
It could be a boyfriend and a girlfriend and the, and it could even be the girlfriend that's controlling everything about the boyfriend.
How much coercion is involved in this relationship, in this religious group, in this corporation, in this political party? Cultic influence can be anywhere.
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