Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
Sep 22, 2026 · 16 min · 8 segments
Guest: **Bill Martin -** Evolutionary Biologist and Head of the Institute of Molecular Evolution at Heinrich Heine University in Düsseldorf
Bill MartinGuest
Jonathan McCreaHost
The thing that I think about at night when I wake up at three o'clock in the morning, because I can't sleep for one reason or another, is that our best theory right now, and we're pretty certain about this, is that we came from rock.

So there was a period where we were rock, and then there was a period where we were living things that we all know and sometimes love and sometimes hate.

The fascinating thing is that transition, is how something that was inert became something that was living.

Everything does point at the moment to the notion or the idea or the theory that life arose from rocks, not just rocks themselves, but from rocks and water, rock-water interactions.

And I guess most of us would say life arose once because we look at the attributes that are common to all cells.

the information processing program that converts information in genes into information in proteins.

But there are, at the most basic level, if we take... complicated cells like our own eukaryotes that arose very late in evolution.

We go down to the cells, the kinds of cells that existed on the early Earth maybe four billion years ago.

There are bacteria, the standard sorts of things that gives us infections and that that colonize our gastrointestinal system and help us live.

And then there are other cells called archaea, which were discovered by Carl Rose and colleagues in the 1970s and George Fox.

The thing that I think about at night when I wake up at three o'clock in the morning, because I can't sleep for one reason or another, is that our best theory right now, and we're pretty certain about this, is that we came from rock.

So there was a period where we were rock, and then there was a period where we were living things that we all know and sometimes love and sometimes hate.

The fascinating thing is that transition, is how something that was inert became something that was living.

Everything does point at the moment to the notion or the idea or the theory that life arose from rocks, not just rocks themselves, but from rocks and water, rock-water interactions.

And I guess most of us would say life arose once because we look at the attributes that are common to all cells.

the information processing program that converts information in genes into information in proteins.

But there are, at the most basic level, if we take... complicated cells like our own eukaryotes that arose very late in evolution.

We go down to the cells, the kinds of cells that existed on the early Earth maybe four billion years ago.

There are bacteria, the standard sorts of things that gives us infections and that that colonize our gastrointestinal system and help us live.

And then there are other cells called archaea, which were discovered by Carl Rose and colleagues in the 1970s and George Fox.
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