Country Star Zach Top Reveals His Golf Obsession

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We have, uh, you know, we're talking, if, if you wanna talk Chevy, and the bow tie, and the iconic logo, and America, and an American company, we've got about as American of a guy as you can have.

We've got Zach Top, rising country star, phenomenal guest, huge golfer, uh, and just the absolute man.

So it's really fun getting into it with him about music, songwriting, performing, playing golf in the Phoenix Open Pro-Am, nerves, um, all of it with a guy who's pretty much at the top of the game, Grammy Award winner.

Uh, so stick around for that.

Kiz is a huge country music guy, too.

He loves that scene, so, uh, the two of them going back and forth, just fantastic.

And then we, you know, we kick off the show with a little bit of, a little bit of space talk.

We got a meteor cruising, streaking across the sky in New England, so that puts us into quite the spiral, as you can imagine.

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Kevin KisnerGuest2:43

Yeah, I don't wanna attach a brand to Zach Top that he didn't agree to, but if there's anyone I could imagine driving a Chevrolet through, through the hills and the mountains of Washington as he writes bluegrass music, it'd be Zach Top.

Kevin KisnerGuest2:54

Uh, and if you go and watch the Kevin Kisner versus, uh, John Daly video, John Daly's got a big old Chevrolet logo on his chest there, so, uh, pretty cool.

Phenomenal.

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Pretty cool brand.

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He- They, they've, they, they can reach really anyone.

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And you watch NASCAR, Chevrolet's all over it, winning races.

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And, and with us, they've been with us forever, so it's really, really a great partnership.

Kevin KisnerGuest3:14

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It's an amazing spot, it's an amazing logo, an amazing brand.

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And an amazing show, Zach Top.

Incredible show today.

We, uh, you know, we also, we talk a little bit of schedule changes.

The, the, the very dear to our heart John Deere Classic has been in the news lately, so we get, um, you know, we get the much-anticipated Trent Ryan's take on the latest news involving the John Deere Classic.

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Oh, Riggs.

What's up, my brother?

I got a buddy who struggles with that shot a lot.

His name's Frankie Barelli.

So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butter Knives because he [laughs] he always knives it across the green.

Kevin KisnerGuest4:08

You broke 100.

Yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest4:09

Now you gotta break 90.

We appreciate what you guys do for golf.

It's been really cool.

Thank you, man.

You're making it cool.

We appreciate it.

Thanks, guys.

I was like, "Hey, Phil, you owe me fucking 2999." And he grabs 100.

He's like, "Yeah, I won 90,000 of these yesterday."

Kevin KisnerGuest4:21

He goes-

"Take 100 and go fuck yourself."

Kevin KisnerGuest4:24

[laughs]

What?

What are you guys fishing with?

Um...

This ain't a hobby.

"Four Play," presented by Barstool Sports.

We got a big show today.

We've got, uh, just one of the hottest sensations in country music.

Zach Top, uh, is on the show.

We have a nice interview.

He's a big golf guy.

He's a big gear guy.

Uh, not big gear guy, big beer guy.

Uh, he was at the WM Phoenix Open this year.

He played in the Pro-Am, uh, as well as the Birds Nest, he performed, so he's got a lot of golf-adjacent activity going on in his life.

Uh, he's on a big tour, so uh, second half of the show, great interview, so make sure you stick around for that.

Um, we've got Kiz in the mountains, ladies and gentlemen, with a green mic, which is a really nice thing for us to see right now.

Uh, the mountain man.

I, I think a lot of people would be jealous, Kiz, that you just, you, uh, you know, you...

The way you were texting me, like, "Yeah, I'm just in the mountains now until, like, Labor Day." [laughs] I was like, "How is that possible?"

Kevin KisnerGuest5:18

Yeah, just pack the car and move, man.

Kevin KisnerGuest5:20

You just have another house to go to.

Kevin KisnerGuest5:22

It's currently 52 degrees on the back porch.

Kevin KisnerGuest5:24

Nice sunny-

Oh

Kevin KisnerGuest5:25

... day.

Kevin KisnerGuest5:26

Could've built a fire for you boys, but I didn't really get into all that this morning.

Kevin KisnerGuest5:30

First, first morning in the mountains.

Kevin KisnerGuest5:32

I, I spent an insane, insane amount of time on this porch right here.

Kevin KisnerGuest5:37

Insane.

That setup is incredible.

Me and Riggs were saying it before we hopped on here.

That's just a guy who made enough putts, made enough of the right swings at the right time, in the right tournaments, in the right fields, all of that, to just have a t- a place where he can go where once summer hits, he says, "I'm going to the mountains." You just did it correctly, is what we were saying.

He spent enough time on commercial airplanes.

He spent enough time in shit hotel rooms with, like, Brian Harman.Uh, all of it just led to basically he's living now like, you know, an 80-year-old man lives, but he gets to just do it as like a 40-year-old man, where he's sitting on his porch in his mountain home in 50-degree weather with a hoodie.

Might make a fire, Trent.

He might not make a fire.

He's not really sure.

He might, might have a hot coffee this morning or a tea.

Uh, it's just a dream that you're living out there.

Kevin KisnerGuest6:29

I already had a goblet of coffee.

Kevin KisnerGuest6:31

It was delightful-

[laughs]

Kevin KisnerGuest6:32

... on the porch.

Kevin KisnerGuest6:32

It was 44 when I woke up.

Kevin KisnerGuest6:34

It's-

Ah.

Kevin KisnerGuest6:35

And this all started about 10 years ago, no BS.

Kevin KisnerGuest6:38

It w- I was in Aiken practicing.

Kevin KisnerGuest6:40

I came in the house just completely drenched, dead tired.

Kevin KisnerGuest6:43

It was 150 degrees in Aiken.

Kevin KisnerGuest6:45

And I told my wife, I said, "Find us somewhere we can drive that is colder than this so I can hit a golf ball and not die." Trying to get ready to go play the U.S.

Kevin KisnerGuest6:54

Open.

Kevin KisnerGuest6:55

And she's like, "Okay." And we found Cashiers, North Carolina, and rented a house for 10 days, and we loved it.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:01

And then we rented for a month, and then we rented for two months.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:04

And then the next year we bought a lot, and we were just speculating, and then she suckered me into building a house.

[laughs]

Kevin KisnerGuest7:11

And here we are.

It's quite the home, too.

You gave us a quick little tour.

It's, you got high ceilings.

You've got huge, what are you calling those? Like, accordion doors?

Kevin KisnerGuest7:19

Yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:19

We, we open this porch.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:21

It turns into, like, a one big open space.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:23

Kitchen, living room, dining room all into one.

Now, you have a golf course up there as well? Is that your, that's like where you go practice?

Kevin KisnerGuest7:30

Yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:30

We, uh, we have a bunch of them.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:32

We, we play at Old Edwards Club, and they have this kids course called Glen Cove.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:37

It's a 12-hole par three with an activity center with pools, pickleball, basketball-

Mm

Kevin KisnerGuest7:43

... fishing.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:43

So my kids just live there all summer.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:45

And then we also play at Mountaintop, which was a old Discovery property, Tom Fazio design, uh-

Oh, the Faz.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:53

Yeah, that-

Love the Faz

Kevin KisnerGuest7:54

... members have bought back.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:55

So we hang out at both of those all day.

Kevin KisnerGuest7:58

The problem is you wake up with a headache a lot up here.

Kevin KisnerGuest8:00

There's a lot of people on, on, uh-

[laughs]

Kevin KisnerGuest8:02

...

Kevin KisnerGuest8:02

Camp Cashiers, as we call it, and it just, just becomes a problem, you know? Every day about lunch, someone is always ready to get after it, and I'm just a sucker for agreeing to that.

And you have, I mean, you've graciously extended the invite to us to come up there at some point.

So I'm, I'm gonna get my eyes on it for real at some point.

I'm gonna sit on that porch.

I'm gonna sit in that swinging chair back there, and I'm just gonna enjoy the view.

Kevin KisnerGuest8:25

And you're just gonna drink a goblet of iced coffee, and I'm gonna make it for you.

Kevin KisnerGuest8:28

And I'm just gonna leave you alone.

[laughs]

Kevin KisnerGuest8:29

And you can just do whatever you want.

Kevin KisnerGuest8:31

And we also just, uh, built a restaurant in Highlands, North Carolina, called Town Hall, and they want us to come do the entire pod film there and have a crowd.

Kevin KisnerGuest8:39

So when y'all come, we're doing that.

What a hard sell.

What a hard sell that's gonna be for us.

Kevin KisnerGuest8:44

Done.

I, I told you I want you to realize that this isn't being taken as a token invite.

Like, this is an invite that I'm actually going to accept, and I will appear before you with bags.

Be like, "I'm at your home now."

Kevin KisnerGuest8:54

Yeah.

"Can I stay here?" [laughs]

Kevin KisnerGuest8:56

I'm ready.

Kevin KisnerGuest8:56

I'm ready, man.

God, I bet your kids fucking love it up there.

Kevin KisnerGuest9:00

It's insane, dude.

Kevin KisnerGuest9:01

They just wake up every day, and there's...

Kevin KisnerGuest9:03

They call it their summer friends, and they just meet up, and I just don't see them all day until it's bedtime.

Kevin KisnerGuest9:08

And they just charge everything to my account, just like I did as a kid.

Kevin KisnerGuest9:12

My, I had to, literally, we got to the club last night, and my five-year-old's with me.

Kevin KisnerGuest9:15

Uh, other two are at camp.

Kevin KisnerGuest9:17

And Brittany was writing down, like, uh, his form, 'cause they have this kids camp where they just basically have college kids that are counselors.

Kevin KisnerGuest9:25

And she's like, "Kiz, what is our member number? I can't remember." And George just blurted it out.

Kevin KisnerGuest9:30

He knows all the numbers.

[laughs]

Kevin KisnerGuest9:32

Yeah.

He knows the only thing he needs to know to get anything is that number.

Kevin KisnerGuest9:38

Whatever I need, I can get with that number, buddy.

[laughs] So good.

Well, I'm very jealous.

That's awesome.

That is absolutely awesome.

It's 100, I think it's 103.

I sent you a little screenshot yesterday of, uh, from my car, 103 degrees in good old Scottsdale, Arizona yesterday.

So it was a, it was a grind trying to hit a couple, uh, golf balls.

But we are, uh, we are back.

We've got, like I said, a fantastic show today.

I wanted to, to start, I wrote this down for last show, but we went raw, uh, long, so I didn't get to it.

How about this meteor that went through New England? Did you guys get any of this meteor that went through New England last Saturday?

Well, it's interesting, because I was helping my sister-in-law and brother-in-law are moving.

And, uh, we're just, like, packing up stuff.

They got a pod, and I was being a good brother-in-law and helping them kind of fill up that stuff.

By the way, filling up a pod, I've never had to do that.

There's a lot of strategy to that.

It's like a Tetris, it's like a Tetris game, where boxes are going.

Mm-hmm.

Yep.

You don't want them falling over.

The heavy ones on the bottom.

Moving, moving weight around.

It was actually kind of fun.

Um, but we were-

One of, um, now just to dovetail off that, one of Kiz's boys, when we were at his, um, his ranch and we were hunting, he, uh, he was talking about shipping, and we were getting deep into, like, shipping.

And he was saying the most expensive thing in the world to ship is air.

Oh, yeah, 'cause there's space.

And he was talking about how, yeah, he was talking about how, like, good, efficient companies and, like, Amazon coming up.

And you'll see back in the day, like, their trucks were fucking inefficient, and they were losing a ton of money because they were shipping air, because nobody knew how to pack the truck properly.

Yeah.

It's, there's a lot that goes into it, I would assume.

Because there's so many times you're like, "Well, that doesn't, that's not the most efficient box to put there, because now we could fit two boxes there." It was actually kind of interesting to see how many different variations of the, of the layout you could make.

But, uh, but we were walking.

We were downstairs, and the door was open, and the garage was open, so we could hear everything outside.

And we heard this huge boom, and I'm like, "I don't know what that was." So I don't know if we heard it, but, like, around the same time that, it was, like, around 1:30 that people heard that meteor going through Boston, we heard, like, a crazy rumbling outside.

We all looked at each other like, "What the hell was that?" So I don't know if we heard it here on Eastern Long Island, but it kind of makes sense, 'cause it kind of went over where we were and straight into, like, that Rhode Island, Massachusetts area.

Yeah.

So a three-foot wide meteor streaked over New England.

This was at 2:06 PM local time on Saturday.

Um-Triggered a sonic boom and a ground-shaking tremor that rattled homes from Massachusetts to Rhode Island.

NASA reported that the fireball traveled at 75,000 miles an hour when it entered the atmosphere and fragmented at a 40-mile altitude, releasing energy equivalent to 300 tons of TNT.

This was a three-foot wide meteor, by the way.

A three-foot wide meteor traveling that fast.

Um, NASA noted that the daylight bolide produced a meteorite fall with fragments most likely landing directly in the middle of Cape Cod Bay.

Um, for, uh, comparison, the, the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was nine miles in diameter.

Holy shit.

This bad boy, this bad boy was three feet, so imagine a nine-mile, uh, motherfucker coming in at that speed.

[laughs]

[laughs]

I can't even wrap my head around any of that.

75,000 miles an hour.

Space just makes my mind blow.

I don't even understand why people wanna go into space.

Why are we doing all this? I, I, I just can't wrap my head around it.

I'm just not a space guy.

You're in space right now.

Yeah, thanks.

What's going on with my algorithm that I didn't hear about the meteor, is my question.

Like, I-

I'm stunned.

There was good footage of it, dude.

There was cool footage of it.

Frankie, if you were given the opportunity to go to space right now, would you go?

Pffft.

I'd have to have 100% assurance that I'd be safe.

[laughs]

I got, I gotta be honest with you, I don't think we can give you that.

Like, I want to experience it, I really do.

Um, just watched Project Hail Mary.

Fantastic movie.

Everyone should go watch it, and also a great book, but, uh, Ryan Gosling absolutely nails it.

He's one of the only actors right now that could take that role on and dominate it.

It's basically just him and CGI, and it's like, it's like his Cast Away.

It's incredible what he was able to accomplish in this movie.

Go watch it.

Um, but, like, that is appealing to me.

There's something about being able to float around and see the vastness of space and really get a feel for what Earth is.

I've heard from all these interviews and documentaries on astronauts that you come back with a sense of, with a different sense of what life is when you come back from space, 'cause you're looking back at this little blue dot that you can't imagine all the stress and worries and dramas that we deal with on day-to-day basis, and you see it as this peaceful just little circle in the middle of nothing.

And, like, we all should just be so lucky to be on it, but we're all fighting about whatever, like who's cut me in the Starbucks line and, and when you see it from that, that far away, all that means nothing.

So that part to me, I, I would really, really love to do that, but I don't wanna die yet, so, like, I wouldn't wanna take that risk in terms of, like...

Like, I guess my, my final stance is, like, I don't wanna see it enough to have the percentages to die.

Yeah.

Yeah, fair.

I'm, I'm the same.

The current experience we have in space isn't enough for me, like, you know, to want to go.

Now, if we get to the point where there's, like, a Moon base or there's a Mars base, and I could be, like, on fucking Mars walking around with my pals, maybe a pint of Guinness in my hands and, like, exploring another planet, then I'd be like, "The risk is worth it." But if you just, you just do, like, the, um, uh, like the, the, the celebrity move where you go up barely above, like, the horizon or the, the exit orbit, whatever the fuck it is, and you just take a little look at space, and you go back down, that ain't enough for me to risk it at this point.

I don't...

Do you think we're gonna be on Mars in our lifetime?

Depends how long our lifetime is here, because I don't know.

[laughs] You know, I'm thinking hopefully if I got another 40 or 50 years, I think yes.

I think absolutely.

Yeah, I'm out on all that.

I think I am, too.

I, I, I understand the, the gravity of it, no pun intended, but, like, I just-

Nice

... it's too scary for me, that I just, I'm pretty good with my two feet on the ground.

Uh, but it would be funny, like you said, going to Mars with your buddies if, like, all the different planets become the new place to take bachelor parties.

Like, you're going to Mars.

Mm-hmm.

It's like the new Nashville and the new Austin.

We're going to Mars.

But I don't know.

I don't...

I mean, we'll definitely won't get to a point, I think, during our lifetimes with that.

That seems like a long time away.

How about the Sun travels around the Milky Way galaxy, it orbits around the Milky Way galaxy at a speed of 515,000 miles an hour.

I'm with kids, where it's like I don't, I don't, I can't even, like, understand what that means.

[laughs] So there was, um, there was this, this, uh, woman, Michelle Thaller, was on, uh, Rogan within, like, the last week, and she worked at NASA forever and is an, an astronomer.

And, uh, whenever those types of folks and whenever they talk space, I always listen to those episodes, and I've done, like, a little bit of a rabbit hole since of, like, everything that she's been on, uh, listening to.

She's phenomenal, so I highly recommend it.

She's just, like, really smart.

She articulates things really well.

She was saying something that I think is the most interesting thing I've ever heard when people talk about space, and I'm gonna try to explain it, but probably not gonna be great at it.

Um, but, like, they talk all the time about, you know, like, Einstein and space and time and, like, gravity and how space and time and relativity are different.

Meaning that, like, in a lot of the concept of it is, like, when you're standing on the ground and you look at a plane going across the sky, the plane doesn't really look like it's moving that fast.

But if you're up on the plane, like, or you were standing on a runway as that thing took off, you'd be like, "Holy fuck, look how fast that thing is going." So speed and relativity and all that.

And so obviously they talk about, like, all the vast distances in space and things being 8,000 light years away, and nothing can travel as fast or faster than the speed of light, so how the hell could you, like, even comprehend these distances 'cause things are so far away? She was saying something that they've discovered that almost, like, can really, if you think about it, erase the concept of, like, time and space, which is that when you look at an atom, okay? An atom has a nucleus, as we know, and then it's got electrons that, like, orbit around it.

It's, like, one of the most basic things we learn.I don't remember all that shit either, so she-- when she was saying that, I was like, "Okay, yeah, I do kind of remember that." It's got electrons that, that orbit around the center of the atom.

Um, electrons could be on the same orbital path, but only two could be on the same orbit.

So you could have a bunch of electrons moving around, but only two could be on the exact same orbit, okay? If that occurs, and when that does occur, those electrons must and will always have the opposite spin, okay? So you have two electrons on the same orbital path.

One spins, let's say, top to bottom, the other spins, like, bottom to top.

They always spin in the reverse way, no matter what.

They learn that if they separate those two electrons, okay, [clears throat] and they move them a foot apart, a centimeter apart, in theory, one billion light-years apart, they could separate them as much as they want.

They have the ability to, uh, change the spin, reverse the spin of one of the electrons, which they could do.

If and when they do that, instantaneously the other one reverses its spin so that it is always at odds with the other electron that's in its orbital path.

So they were saying, no matter what, no matter how far away you put these things, they are forever and physically connected and in the same mechanism, no matter what, that if you just change the spin on one of them, the other one instantaneously reverses its spin no matter where you put it.

That makes me wanna puke.

[laughing] Isn't that fucking crazy?

That's insane.

So, like, space and time do not matter to those two things that are connected-

Right

... forever and always, that if you reverse the spin of one, no matter where the other one is, it could be a billion, trillion light-years away, in theory, it will instantaneously reverse its spin.

Fuck.

And that's what we're made out of.

That's what we're made out of.

So she was saying, in theory, if you look at that, she's like, "We're all..." She's like, "You could easily [clears throat] argue that we are all connected from, [clears throat] you know, like, a, a, a cosmic way.

Like, a quantum physics way, we're all connected and part of the same mechanism." That blew my mind.

Yeah.

That's-

Mind blown.

Yeah.

That sucks.

That's-

It sucks

... it's crazy.

[laughing] Jesus.

That is fucking insane.

It really does because, uh, did I tell...

I mean, yeah, it all sucks.

Like, the time, relativity, all of that stuff.

When you really dive deep, it makes your brain hurt because you-

[chuckles] Oh, it's nuts

... th-there's gonna be a time if we can survive as a r- as a, as a, as a being, as a species, if we can actually survive on this planet for long enough, they will figure out a way to, like, turn the atoms in us into that, where you can, like...

You can go places that you would never think.

And then that's also that multiverse conversation where, like, if you split the atoms and, like, there's the atoms that are in Riggs on Earth and there's the atoms that are in Riggs in another universe, he would be the opposite of what Riggs is doing here.

You know what I'm saying? That's where that whole conversation and theory comes into play, I would assume.

There's...

Like, for every action, there's a reaction, and that, that goes as deep as you can even imagine in terms of, like, actually recreating a person and, like, putting them on another planet or something.

Yeah.

Who knows what's out there then?

She was essentially saying, like, this is where scientists think, and we'll-- We're not even close to this, but she's like, if there could be another civilization out there that has learned to harness that concept that I just described, that they could traverse the universe instantaneously without having to build fucking rockets that go, like, a fraction of the speed of light.

They're like, "No, no.

If that electron could just instantaneously be affected no matter how far apart it is, then we could figure out how to traverse the universe in, like, a quantum way," is kinda what she was saying.

Amazing.

It was fucking insane.

And then, like-

Did I bring up the drone with you guys in the car? Have I talked about that on the podcast?

I don't know.

Like, if you're-

I don't think so

...

if you're, if you're riding in a car going 80 miles an hour-

Oh, I saw a video of this

... right? You're driving in a car going 80 miles an hour.

You take a drone and you put it up.

You start it in the car.

The thought to a rational thinking brain [chuckles] would be that has to go 80 miles an hour.

That drone has to be flying and those propellers have to be spinning 80 miles an hour to keep up with you.

But it doesn't because everything in the car is going 80 miles an hour, including, like, the air and just, like, the beings that are in that car are going 80 miles an hour.

Where if you were to just stop, right? You'd go flying.

If that car were to be stopped, you'd go flying 80 miles an hour even though you're actually not moving at all.

[chuckles] So, like, to me, that, that broke my brain.

I think that's the theory of relativity.

Remember?

That's relativity, baby.

That's relativity right there.

Like, that-

Like that is-

...

when they...

Whoever came up with that...

Was that Einstein? Whoever came up with that, like, that had to be such a light bulb moment where it, it just blew the minds of everyone, where you're like, you're not moving, but everything around you is moving with whatever that biggest mass is, essentially.

Hey, on that note-

[laughs]

... uh, I was flying on a plane the other day with a guy bitching about the Wi-Fi, and he was explaining to me about plane Wi-Fi, which is insane because you're traveling to the-- on that same...

You're traveling 500 miles an hour, and the reason Starlink works so well is because it has to send those bytes ahead of the plane.

So, like, when you get to the where you're going, the, the internet works, right? Where we're at our house, it just sits there and sends it to your house.

But on a plane, it has to send it to where you're going, so it always has to be in front of you, so it has to be so much faster for it to work on the plane.

Interesting.

Didn't know that.

Just get Starlink, you know what I'm saying? Let's just get these airplanes on Starlink.

I think...

Didn't, didn't Delta announce that they're, like, changing all their planes over the next several years to Starlink?

Everyone's changing to Starlink.

I think I'm gonna use Starlink on my whole compound in my new house.I think that's the right move.

Yeah.

I think that's the move.

They just have thousands of satellites in the sky that are like, "Yeah, we're gonna- we're gonna have perfect Wi-Fi."

I was talking to Brock Nelson, he said that the Colorado Avalanche plane has Starlink on it, like what Riggs was saying.

And he said guys are playing online Xbox games, like, with their kids on the plane.

If they have, like, a [laughs] West Coast trip or an East Coast trip, it's better Wi-Fi than they have at their homes on the plane.

[laughs]

Starlink's incredible because it goes up.

I'm pretty sure all the other planes, and we had a conversation about this a couple months ago or maybe a year ago, about plane Wi-Fi, it all has to go down, and it hits the, each tower as you pass 'em.

It's just pulling off, I'm pretty sure.

We didn't hit a single tower on the way home from fucking London.

[laughs]

Kevin KisnerGuest25:14

[laughs]

But then how does it work over the ocean, then?

Kevin KisnerGuest25:17

Yeah, that's what I don't know.

Kevin KisnerGuest25:18

That's why I think, uh, I think a lot of transatlantic flights cut out when you're over the ocean.

Well, uh, the couple, the last couple times that we've been in Hawaii, I think those planes have Starlink.

Now, there's, there's an airline, I think is it Hawaiian Airlines? Or s- it's some airline that flies to Hawaii that has Starlink 'cause that's the only time that I've ever had it, was over the ocean, and it's, I have the same review that Brock Nelson and you guys have, where it's, it's the best internet you can possibly have.

Now, is it, like, a Starlink interface on your phone? Like, are you signing into Starlink when you get on that plane?

Kevin KisnerGuest25:51

No, you just pop up your settings, Wi-Fi, and it pops on.

Kevin KisnerGuest25:55

It doesn't even say Starlink.

Kevin KisnerGuest25:56

It just says you're playing Wi-Fi.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like it would be Delta Wi-Fi, but it, it's the same process.

It's just a, it's just Starlink, and then you appear, the internet appears clearer than it's ever appeared before-

[laughs]

...

but you're on a plane.

Kevin KisnerGuest26:07

That's right.

Kevin KisnerGuest26:07

That's right.

[laughs] It's incredible.

Kevin KisnerGuest26:09

And, and if you have Starlink at your house, dude, you just pack your little s- kit up, and you just travel, and you just have Starlink.

Travel with it.

Kevin KisnerGuest26:15

You just have internet.

Kevin KisnerGuest26:15

Like, all my boys that have it just take it to tailgates and their kid's soccer game, and they just set up their Starlink, and they have internet wherever they go.

What's it, like, the size of an Xbox or something?

Kevin KisnerGuest26:24

Yeah, you just have, like, a briefcase you just carry it around.

[laughs] That's, that's, that's crazy we all don't have that, just have an internet briefcase.

Kevin KisnerGuest26:31

Right.

Dude, tailgates, that's, like, that's higher thinking.

That, that's playing chess while everyone's playing che- checkers because-

Kevin KisnerGuest26:38

Well, you ha- you have to have internet f- 'cause everybody uses YouTube TV now or whatever.

Kevin KisnerGuest26:42

They don't have cable.

Right.

Kevin KisnerGuest26:43

So they just go to the tailgate and watch all the games on their Starlink.

Amazing.

All right.

If Elon wants to throw us the bag, man, we'll do a Starlink promotion.

Buddy, in a heart- Come on, Elon.

Elon-

Kevin KisnerGuest26:56

I'm gonna send, I'm gonna send this to Elon.

Kevin KisnerGuest26:57

I got his cell number.

I feel like Elon's gotta be a little bit of a, [laughs] a little bit of a Barstool fan, you know?

You think Elon's ever hit a golf ball?

Kevin KisnerGuest27:05

No.

No. No.

That's crazy.

Kevin KisnerGuest27:10

He probably thinks it's a waste of time.

Kevin KisnerGuest27:12

Those really uber smart people just don't have time to waste.

Dude, you ever heard him talk about his work day? It's like the whole...

He's like, "I only sleep and work.

Those are the only two things I do." And bangs chicks, apparently.

Kevin KisnerGuest27:22

Yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest27:23

[laughs] He loves, he loves banging.

Kevin KisnerGuest27:24

He loves-

He's got like 1,000 kids with like-

He's trying to repopulate the Earth, Riggs.

It's not, it's-

No, it is a, it is, he's...

That's an unbelievable justification for just liking-

Kevin KisnerGuest27:31

[laughs]

... to bang chicks, is like, "No, no, the Earth is in peril.

We're, have a population decline.

I have to repopulate the Earth." [laughs] Like, all right.

Kevin KisnerGuest27:37

How about all his kids' names-

Okay, Jake, like, calm-

Kevin KisnerGuest27:39

... are, like

[laughs]

Kevin KisnerGuest27:39

Relax.

Kevin KisnerGuest27:40

Well, his kids' names like X Æ A-12 and Y Z-4 and-

He loves X.

Kevin KisnerGuest27:45

[laughs]

He loves X. SpaceX, X, Twitter's now X.

Yeah.

His kid's name's X. It's fucking crazy town.

Hold on, Richard, I'm gonna send you this clip.

Kevin KisnerGuest27:53

[laughs]

Is it, no, is it, is it Elon hitting a golf ball?

Elon talking about golf.

Come on.

Um.

Kevin KisnerGuest28:01

Okay.

Fine.

Kevin KisnerGuest28:03

Yeah, I, I, I mean, I would love to see him swing.

It's got a weird filter on it, so I hope it's not AI, but-

Dude, I also, when I listen to these physics people, I think about how minuscule it is to them to be able to just hit a golf ball perfectly.

Like, they're talking about [laughs] planets orbiting each other and black holes, and I'm like, "Can you guys just boil that down to me to, like, how hard could it..." It must be so easy mentally for them to think about just perfectly hitting a golf ball 350 yards.

Kevin KisnerGuest28:30

Right.

Yeah, that's interesting.

Just, like, deliver force, and the per- you know? [laughs] It's like how they're like, "That's the easiest equation I've ever done.

Why can't you just do it?" I'm like, "No, you don't understand." It's like-

You don't understand at all

... just get nervous, and you come over the top, and you fucking slice it out to the right.

Yeah, they could dominate this game.

Putting, reading a putt, Elon could read the shit out of a putt.

[laughs] Right.

It's just an equation.

Kevin KisnerGuest28:50

[laughs]

It's a fucking equation, man.

Let's see what this guy's got to say.

I'm an obsessive person.

I can't get involved.

Like, I can't do golf.

Yeah.

Y- no, it's too, golf is too slow for me.

I mean, I know a lot of people find golf good, and I, I mean, I guess you, if you think of it like it's, it, I guess if you're saying it w- you're gonna walk outdoors with friends-

Yeah

... and occasionally hit a ball, then, and, and you're just, and as an outdoor walk, then that's cool.

Um, and it does require concentration when you're hitting the ball, but it, it's, it's, it's a, it's, the, it's too slow for me.

Golf still is like, Jamie will tell you, Jamie's an addict.

It's super addictive, and it takes-

I, I know, yes

... like eight hours a day.

It, it's, yes.

Uh, if, once, once you get into golf, I think for, I guess any sport, it, it gets super addictive.

So, uh, he doesn't really confirm that he's played it.

I think he kind of nailed it.

Kevin KisnerGuest29:36

Yeah.

It is funny to watch him break it down into its, its simplest terms of just walking around with your friends and hitting a ball every once in a while.

Kevin KisnerGuest29:42

Yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest29:43

He goes, "If you're walking outdoors with your friends and occasionally hitting a ball, it sounds great." [laughs] I was like, "Yeah, that's pretty much what we do." [laughs]

Yeah.

That's what it is, man.

That's what it is.

Kevin KisnerGuest29:50

That's it.

Kevin KisnerGuest29:50

[laughs]

Get uber frustrated, spend a lot of money-

Kevin KisnerGuest29:54

Yeah

... waste a lot of time, and then bitch about it over a beer afterwards.

Kevin KisnerGuest29:58

Get, get worse even though everything says you should be getting better.

Yeah.

[laughs]

Kevin KisnerGuest30:02

Like, yeah, explain all that to him.

What a game.

Kevin KisnerGuest30:05

He does, is, isn't he, like, a, a, a intensive video game guy, and he just, like-

Yeah.

I think so

Kevin KisnerGuest30:11

... rips hours of, like, I think he needs that.

Yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest30:14

Like, golf is not doing it for him.

Kevin KisnerGuest30:15

He needs fucking shooter games and-

Unfortunately for him, and I think Riggs and I talked about this on a long car ride one time, he's too smart to enjoy the money.

Like, that's a level where you don't wanna be.

He doesn't have a mountain house.

He might, but he's never there.

Kevin KisnerGuest30:30

[laughs]

Like, he do- he's too smart to enjoy the things that you should enjoy as an incredibly rich person like he is, and that's just a level that I don't think-It's, it's almost like a little tragic in a certain way

Kevin KisnerGuest30:41

I completely agree.

Kevin KisnerGuest30:43

We kind of got a little bit on that discussion.

Kevin KisnerGuest30:45

I think maybe it stemmed from Rory, and like when we were reading the Rory book, and it talks about how once a year-

Yeah

Kevin KisnerGuest30:51

...

Kevin KisnerGuest30:51

he grabs all his mates and throws them on a PJ and flies to like Ibiza or something.

Kevin KisnerGuest30:56

And they have like gifts on the plane every time that are like Rolexes.

Kevin KisnerGuest30:59

And he's basically like, "I'm a billionaire.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:01

You know what the coolest part about being a billionaire is? Doing cool-ass shit with your friends." [laughs] It's like that.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:07

I don't know that all those billionaires have that.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:08

Elon does not appear to have that.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:10

[laughs]

Kevin KisnerGuest31:10

Yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:10

JJ Watt yesterday put a post up of him and all his like best buddies getting on a jet.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:16

And, and the caption was like, "If, if one of us make it, we all make it.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:20

We do this every year." And his buddy pulled up in his minivan to get on the PJ.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:24

I thought that was great.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:25

And then he took pictures of all of them on the PJ, and they were just going on a, probably a golf trip just to rage.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:30

And JJ just taking care of his boys.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:32

I mean, that's epic.

[laughs] That's it.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:34

No.

That's the way to do it, man.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:36

It's the, it's the way to do it.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:39

Uh, so yeah, I, you know, um, Elon, I don't know that he's got that, but he is an interesting cat, I'll t- I'll tell you that.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:44

He likes to like, he likes to like shit post other people.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:47

I think that's his big enjoyment, which you don't have to be a billionaire to do.

Kevin KisnerGuest31:51

You know? You-

Kevin KisnerGuest31:51

He was on a podcast I just saw in December, I'm pretty sure, and he claims that he's gone to the moon a couple times for secret missions, and he hit a golf ball on the moon 'cause he got bored.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:01

Come on.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:03

[laughs]

That's, that's a real thing that you just said?

Kevin KisnerGuest32:05

I'm gonna send this to Ryan Rich and then we can move on to the next thing.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:08

I just never know what's real and what's not, which sucks.

Yeah, it's hard to know these days.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:13

We're living in a tricky world with-

Kevin KisnerGuest32:15

Is Zach Kaup a golf junkie? Does he love it?

Kevin KisnerGuest32:17

He's a golf junkie.

I think he does.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:19

Yes.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:20

Mm-hmm.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:20

Mm-hmm.

I believe he does.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:22

Should we invite him to a video on when he's on?

100%.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:25

Dude, Zach Kaup's huge.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:26

I, I told someone recently that we were gonna be interviewing him.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:30

They're like, "Oh, I saw him at like..." I think it was MSG they said.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:32

Like this guy, this guy's huge.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:35

I'll even smoke a cig with him if he comes on our channel.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:38

[laughs] There you go.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:38

He loves to rip cigs.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:40

I've seen that.

Oh, twist Kevin Kisner's arm.

He'll smoke a cig-

Kevin KisnerGuest32:43

[laughs]

... with a country artist.

What are you gonna have a beer with him too? God, you're so brave.

[laughs]

Kevin KisnerGuest32:50

Not one.

Yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:51

I'll have 100 beers with him.

[laughs] Yeah.

At the time of this, we're recording this, we haven't interviewed him yet, but I'm, I think he's a big, big golf guy, so.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:58

Okay.

Kevin KisnerGuest32:59

We love that.

Yeah.

All right, so Elon Musk says that he went to the moon and he even played golf on the moon.

You can't make this up, y'all.

Take a listen.

Yes.

Went to the moon a few times, actually.

And played golf on the moon.

Okay.

We didn't just go to the moon.

Uh, what? We actually got a little bored and started playing golf on the moon.

Why didn't the flag move? There's like that conspiracy- That was the TikTok moment.

About the flag? Yeah.

Golf on the moon.

Okay.

Yeah, I literally did.

No, I understand.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Played golf on the moon.

Is there...

There's no gravity though, right? So like- There's gravity.

One-sixth.

If it wasn't gravity, you'd just float away.

There's an atmosphere.

Atmosphere.

Kevin KisnerGuest33:45

Y'all are really blowing my mind today.

I don't...

Yeah.

That, that one like-

Kevin KisnerGuest33:49

Yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest33:49

Believe what you want.

Kevin KisnerGuest33:50

I mean, he says he went to the moon.

Kevin KisnerGuest33:52

Wouldn't the golf ball never come down? It says one-sixth gravity, so it'd go-

One-sixth is not enough to keep a golf ball down

Kevin KisnerGuest33:57

... it'd go six times further.

Kevin KisnerGuest33:58

Be a hell of a drive, dude.

Kevin KisnerGuest33:59

It'd be up there for a long time.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:01

[laughs] Even Riggs could hit one 300.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:04

Yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:04

Dude, imagine one of my bladed wedges out there.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:07

[laughs]

Dude, that would-

Kevin KisnerGuest34:09

It goes to Venus

... that's probably, that's what would land in Massachusetts, dude.

It would be a, fucking leave a hole in the ground.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:14

I saw a video of Brooks Koepka talking about how if you don't wanna duff it, close the face off the toe.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:23

Yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:24

Handle, handle up, toe down.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:25

You can't duff it.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:26

Handle up, toe down if you never wanna duff like a short little chip if you're just trying to get it right there.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:30

Just hit it right off the toe.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:31

'Cause if, the only thing that catches when you duff it is the heel of the club, not the toe.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:35

The toe just is rounded bounce, so it can't dig.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:39

Now, should, what should the thought in, in the actual swing feel like? Should everything be-

Kevin KisnerGuest34:42

Like a putting stroke

Kevin KisnerGuest34:43

... like you never break your wrist? Is it like a putt?

Kevin KisnerGuest34:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:45

Just putting stroke, toe down.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:47

But tip, you're probably gonna have to do it with a 56 because you're not gonna have a lot of power.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:52

Right.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:53

You should probably adopt that, actually.

Kevin KisnerGuest34:55

You should put your handle through your nose and get so close to it off your back foot, you can't even fuck this up.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:03

So like m, the, my left toe should almost be touching the golf ball, my actual foot.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:07

Yes.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:07

Yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:08

And the handle should feel like it's through your nostrils-

Kevin KisnerGuest35:10

[laughs]

Kevin KisnerGuest35:10

... and you're just like...

Kevin KisnerGuest35:11

And the, and the heel of the club should be that far off the ground.

Have you ever done a toe-down chip?

Kevin KisnerGuest35:17

Well, I don't have the yips, so I can chip, so I haven't really had to.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:20

But I was asking for Frankie.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:22

Oh yeah, I mean-

Frankie.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:22

Oh, sorry.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:22

I remember someone told us that, it may have been Kiz, where he's like, "If you're ever nervous..." 'Cause I think that was a Phil tip as well that went viral a couple years ago where he's like, "If you're ever nervous about a chip, just stand over the golf ball where you almost hit your foot and just putt it." And he's like, "You'll literally never, ever duff it or blade it."

Kevin KisnerGuest35:39

I do it quite a bit on, uh, spots where you're right off the fringe, but you don't wanna putt it because the fringe is whatever, for whatever reason.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:46

And like it's a very easy shot to master.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:48

It's like pretty simple.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:50

Right.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:50

I like sim- I like simplifying the stroke.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:53

Like if I can just think putt and I don't have to break my wrist or do any of that, that's where I think it would help me a lot.

Kevin KisnerGuest35:59

I don't know if people are gonna remember or whatever, but if people watch the YouTube video of our Subatomic match, on 17 my ball was kind of up in like fescue-y type grass-

Kevin KisnerGuest36:07

Oh, yeah

Kevin KisnerGuest36:07

... after my tee shot.

Kevin KisnerGuest36:08

And I took a pitching wedge from up there and just did the toe-down punch shot 'cause the pin was back left.

Kevin KisnerGuest36:13

I was short right in like the shitty fescue-y like kind of area you're not supposed to be.

Kevin KisnerGuest36:17

And I just hit that toe-down punch shot and let it roll up there 'cause it's just a safer shot.

Kevin KisnerGuest36:23

It's like-

Kevin KisnerGuest36:23

Right

Kevin KisnerGuest36:23

... yeah.

Kevin KisnerGuest36:24

It'd be a good one for you to learn.

Kevin KisnerGuest36:25

Trent, we gotta fix your putting stroke too.

Kevin KisnerGuest36:27

I'm sick of people in my comments.

[sighs] I know.

I know.

Kevin KisnerGuest36:31

I don't read the comments, but it's just overwhelming about your putting stroke.

I cut across it.

Kevin KisnerGuest36:37

Yeah, we're done with that.

Okay.

I wanna be done with it.

It's-

It's-I, I have to, yeah, I really gotta concentrate and focus on it, 'cause when I stop really thinking about it, that's when it gets really bad.

And yeah, no, it's, it's the number one response that I get is, "We gotta get this guy to stop cutting across his putts." Which I agree with.

I agree with it.

'Cause why do I miss every putt low?

[laughs] 'Cause you don't play enough break.

So it's just a r- 'Cause I don't have the best putting stroke, but I do feel like I'm getting better.

I'm getting a little bit more confident with it.

I'm hitting it to where I think I wanna hit it.

But every putt, if you watch any video, any nine-hole video put on social, every single one misses on the low side.

So I'm just reading the greens incorrectly?

Are you linear or non-linear? Do you know what that means?

[sighs]

So do you see straight lines when you read the putt or do you see the whole curve?

I guess I don't even see either.

I, like-

Well, that'd be a first place to start.

I guess-

I was gonna say, bad starting point.

We've got him

...

I sort of, like, never envision the ball going in.

I always envision as if I'm playing a video game, like PGA Tour 2K25, and there's like a little circle, like back right on the ground, and I just try and putt it to there and hope that that gets towards the hole.

Like, I envision like a spot.

All right.

So everyone is either linear or non-linear.

So if you go read a putt the next time you're playing golf, and I...

Like, if I'm standing at the hole and I drug a tee out to where you think the ball should start on the break, and I put a tee down, and then I told you to aim at that tee.