Jul 7, 2026 · 24 min · 12 segments
Most designers are genuinely good at the discovery call. They can talk about design, get a client excited, paint a picture of what the space could be. That part comes naturally. What this episode is…
Shayna RoseHost
Evelyn McDougallHost
Of course, it's always should be pointing towards a sale of some kind, and you need to be clear on your process, and you need to be clear on your services, which is what makes it all harmonious to arrive at a high close rate or a high level understanding if they're just not a good fit.

So one thing I just wanna say in terms of sales and services and having that flexibility is you may just not be there yet.

You might be someone who exclusively takes full service because you couldn't imagine having smaller, lower levels of services flushing through because you just don't have the support systems where you could offload and have someone else operate all those lower levels.

So I'm gonna take this with the approach that we do have a big range in terms of flexibility of services.

And if that's not you and that's not where you're at, you're gonna follow the same structure of this call.

The goal is to have these clear services, clear systems where we can make money off of other people on our team executing the lower level of service, ideally.

Of course, it's always should be pointing towards a sale of some kind, and you need to be clear on your process, and you need to be clear on your services, which is what makes it all harmonious to arrive at a high close rate or a high level understanding if they're just not a good fit.

So one thing I just wanna say in terms of sales and services and having that flexibility is you may just not be there yet.

You might be someone who exclusively takes full service because you couldn't imagine having smaller, lower levels of services flushing through because you just don't have the support systems where you could offload and have someone else operate all those lower levels.

So I'm gonna take this with the approach that we do have a big range in terms of flexibility of services.

And if that's not you and that's not where you're at, you're gonna follow the same structure of this call.

The goal is to have these clear services, clear systems where we can make money off of other people on our team executing the lower level of service, ideally.
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